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MrSmooTh · 31-35, M
@ElwoodBlues This isn't a "war" that would require Iran to stand a chance.
ElwoodBlues · M
@MrSmooTh How many invading American soldiers do you think it'll take? Hint: Iran has twice the population of Iraq. And the Iraq war had better planning
tRump's failure of planning: 2026-03-16: “Look what happened, in the last two weeks. They weren't supposed to go after all these other countries in the Middle East. Those missiles were set to go after them. So they hit Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait. Nobody expected that. We were shocked!”
The Obama admin secured an agreement, formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA, that was signed in 2015 by the United States and Iran as well as China, Russia, France, Germany and the United Kingdom.
Under the deal, Iran agreed not to pursue nuclear weapons and to allow continuous monitoring of its compliance in exchange for relief from economic sanctions.
The monitoring plan under Obama was a rigorous technical inspection regime of Iran's facilities. Key parts of the inspection instrumentation were implemented and verified by Obama's Energy Secretary, an MIT nuclear physicist named Dr Ernest Moniz. Moniz's system could identify traces (secondary radioactivity) left by radioactive materials even after they had been moved.
It was Obama's inspection deal that halted Iran's uranium enrichment program in exchange for relaxed sanctions.
Moniz's technical inspection regime was a major part of what tRump blew up. Without the Obama deal, Iran immediately restarted their UF6 centrifuge uranium enrichment program.
It was the failure of tRump to "make a better deal" that forced tRump to drop bunker buster bombs on Iran's uranium enrichment program.
It was the failure of that bombing campaign that caused "no new wars" tRump to begin the current war on Iran.
tRump's failure of planning: 2026-03-16: “Look what happened, in the last two weeks. They weren't supposed to go after all these other countries in the Middle East. Those missiles were set to go after them. So they hit Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait. Nobody expected that. We were shocked!”
We should have dealt with Iran about 40 years ago.
Obama dealt with Iran ten years ago; tRump screwed the pooch.The Obama admin secured an agreement, formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA, that was signed in 2015 by the United States and Iran as well as China, Russia, France, Germany and the United Kingdom.
Under the deal, Iran agreed not to pursue nuclear weapons and to allow continuous monitoring of its compliance in exchange for relief from economic sanctions.
The monitoring plan under Obama was a rigorous technical inspection regime of Iran's facilities. Key parts of the inspection instrumentation were implemented and verified by Obama's Energy Secretary, an MIT nuclear physicist named Dr Ernest Moniz. Moniz's system could identify traces (secondary radioactivity) left by radioactive materials even after they had been moved.
It was Obama's inspection deal that halted Iran's uranium enrichment program in exchange for relaxed sanctions.
Moniz's technical inspection regime was a major part of what tRump blew up. Without the Obama deal, Iran immediately restarted their UF6 centrifuge uranium enrichment program.
It was the failure of tRump to "make a better deal" that forced tRump to drop bunker buster bombs on Iran's uranium enrichment program.
"Iran's Nuclear Facilities Have Been Obliterated — and Suggestions Otherwise are Fake News"
Source: The White House. Date: June 25, 2025It was the failure of that bombing campaign that caused "no new wars" tRump to begin the current war on Iran.
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@ElwoodBlues Obama's plan eventually gave Iran nuclear weapons. You forgot that?
pdockal · 56-60, M
ElwoodBlues · M
@Strictgram says
The JCPOA agreement lifted sanctions for ten years in exchange for limits on enrichment and storage of nuclear materials. And it's always possible to extend such an agreement under threat of re-imposing sanctions.
My source is the agreement itself
https://2009-2017.state.gov/documents/organization/245317.pdf
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/122460/full-text-of-the-iran-nuclear-deal.pdf
Summary:
Uranium Enrichment: Capped at 3.67% (well below the 90% needed for weapons).
Stockpile Reduction: Reduced its enriched uranium stockpile by 98%, limited to 300 kg.
Centrifuge Limits: Cut the number of operating centrifuges by two-thirds, down to roughly 5,000 older models.
Plutonium Path: Agreed to redesign the Arak heavy-water reactor so it could not produce weapons-grade plutonium and to ship all spent fuel out of the country.
Monitoring: Granted the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) unprecedented access to its entire nuclear supply chain and the right to inspect suspicious sites.
Obama's plan eventually gave Iran nuclear weapons.
NO, it did NOT. I've seen that lie elsewhere; I'd like to know your source, but I doubt you will provide it.The JCPOA agreement lifted sanctions for ten years in exchange for limits on enrichment and storage of nuclear materials. And it's always possible to extend such an agreement under threat of re-imposing sanctions.
My source is the agreement itself
https://2009-2017.state.gov/documents/organization/245317.pdf
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/122460/full-text-of-the-iran-nuclear-deal.pdf
Summary:
Uranium Enrichment: Capped at 3.67% (well below the 90% needed for weapons).
Stockpile Reduction: Reduced its enriched uranium stockpile by 98%, limited to 300 kg.
Centrifuge Limits: Cut the number of operating centrifuges by two-thirds, down to roughly 5,000 older models.
Plutonium Path: Agreed to redesign the Arak heavy-water reactor so it could not produce weapons-grade plutonium and to ship all spent fuel out of the country.
Monitoring: Granted the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) unprecedented access to its entire nuclear supply chain and the right to inspect suspicious sites.