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I usually see that people that do not like Trump will mock, laugh, scoff, dismiss, or outright get pissed off at people that do like Trump rather than having rational discourse, just saying.
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windinhishair · 61-69, M
I have found that the vast majority of people who love Trump are completely incapable of rational discourse. They can only say things like "Trump made the US great again" or "things were better off when he was president" but they are completely unable to provide any details or any facts that support their beliefs.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@windinhishair have you noticed life is now harder since Trump was in office. Everything is more expensive. It is getting worse. We now have had more immigration problems. We have weak reactions when dealing with terrorists. Biden’s botched up ordeal while trying to pull out of Afghanistan made us look weak. I don’t think there was any retaliation for the soldiers that were killed by the suicide bomber. You will say that was Trump’s deal. Joe could have planned it better. He ended up leaving valuable assets that if he planned better he could have destroyed the assets or ship them out to keep them from falling in our enemies hands. Russia, China the whole world actually was watching while we looked disorganized and weak. That’s what inspired Russia to invade Ukraine. Putin knew now was his chance. We let everyone prosper except America. Trump puts American people first.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@specman Thank you for responding. Yours is a perfect example of deliberately leaving out inconvenient facts, like the fact that Trump set a specific date for the Afghanistan withdrawal a year in advance, leaving any problems with implementation to his successor. And either forgetting or not realizing that the US DID remove valuable assets prior to the withdrawal on the date the US under Trump committed to. The remaining assets were older assets the US didn't want to transport back home. If we looked weak, it was because you don't want to set a withdrawal date a year in advance without knowing that it would be the best time to withdraw.

There is no evidence Russia invaded Ukraine because of Afghanistan. It is more likely Putin was betting on a Trump second term, so Trump could fail to support the democracy in Ukraine and allow Putin to take it. When that didn't happen, it forced his hand.

Yes, everything is more expensive. That is called inflation. We had inflation during Trump's Administration, just as we did under Obama, and Bush, and Clinton, and Bush, and Reagan, and on back in time. You're not going to be able to buy a Hershey bar for 5C or gas for 20C a gallon any more, and that is because WAGES go up too. We had high inflation coming out of covid, as predicted, but it has come back down to long-term norms. And if you look at average wage increases over the past several years, the net decrease in purchasing power is in the 2-3% range. That's not good, but it isn't doomsday material either.

Your statement "Trump puts American people first" is an absolutely perfect example of an empty statement with no supporting facts. Thank you for making it to prove my point. "We let everyone prosper except America" is an equally vacuous statement.
BEENOV · M
@windinhishair You mean like our horrific economy for the average working class Americans. What whole do you live in
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@BEENOV You do know that more people are employed right now than during the last Administration, right? Do you believe people with jobs are better off than people without jobs?

Specifically, what is "horrific" about the economy. Facts please.
BEENOV · M
@windinhishair The jobs market report included seasonal employment, so your first point is incorrect, Costs on fuel food household products rate increases have risen. Everything costs more now than it did during the previous administration. America was fuel independent and now we buy sludge oil from Venezuela for example. I could go on and on but I know you already know this because you make daily purchases and have felt the effects personally.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@BEENOV Check your “facts”. More people have been employed than during the previous administration for well over a year. That’s not seasonal and your point is incorrect. Costs are higher now than they were under Trump. Costs under Trump were higher than under Obama. Costs under Obama were higher than under Bush, which were higher than under Clinton. This is how inflation works. Your point is correct but meaningless in context. Biden has increased domestic oil production since he took office. You are unaware of that fact because you don’t check them.

Yes prices have gone up. So have wages for working Americans as have the number of jobs. As I stated, the decrease in purchasing power when you look at both costs and wages is modest for most people. If I think something costs too much relative to current wages, I don’t buy it.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@BEENOV Also, it is important to note that Joe Biden is not responsible for global inflation the past couple of years. In fact, the US has fared better than many developed countries have in Europe and elsewhere. Are there specific Biden policies you believe have exacerbated inflation in the US compared to the rest of the world?
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BEENOV · M
@windinhishair You obviously have no concept of how the US dollar works. When you do or if you ever do you will realize how dumb that statement is
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@BEENOV Do you have any facts to present? Or are ad hominen attacks all that you have? Come back when you can engage in rational discourse. Every post you make just proves my point.
BEENOV · M
@windinhishair Actually you consistently proof my point. Fact is you have zero understanding of world financial markets and the strength of the US dollar and how it effects other countries worse than the USA. So when the US economy is struggling like it is know, other countries that rely that depend on the dollars strength are weakened. I suggest you take an economics class.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@BEENOV The US (and Joe Biden) does not determine the world economy. Far from it. Do you understand the word "global"? There are global market forces that drive global market trends. That includes the US, but the US is not the sole driver.

Let's try this another way. Enlighten us on the specific Biden economic policies that are currently driving the economy in Germany, Brazil, and China. And show us how specific Trump economic policies improved the economies in those countries. Facts please, not more empty statements.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@windinhishair we did leave behind assets that we use , armored vehicles, communications which have our encryption technology they can reverse engineer to break our encryption. This is a major issue-( my son is in the USMC in communications) and guns. The vehicles that were left behind our USMC still use these types of vehicles.

When we appear to be weak our adversaries take advantage of us.
Same logic is used by bullies.

The economy sucks. Things are more costly than when Trump was president.

Trump would make sure we were taken care of before worrying about foreign countries.

As far as a threat to Democracy- as per our previous conversation one blatant example of Biden being a threat to Democracy is the invoking war time powers to circumvent the House to push his agenda.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@specman The US took the assets they needed and left the rest in Afghanistan. You can read about it here:

https://www.voanews.com/a/pentagon-downplays-7-billion-in-us-military-equipment-left-in-afghanistan/6549546.html

Things cost more now than when Trump was president.
Things cost more when Trump was president than when Obama was president.
Things cost more when Obama was president than when Bush was president.
Things cost more when Bush was president than when Clinton was president.
Things cost more when Clinton was president than when Reagan was president.
This is what happens during inflation. Any questions? You always have to look at increases in wages to determine the impact of inflation. I showed the results of that evaluation earlier.

Exactly how would Trump make sure we were taken care of? We all saw his malfeasance during covid, directly contributing to the deaths of many Americans that didn't need to die by understating the pandemic for his own personal gain during the election. Do you think the families of the dead are grateful for him taking such "good care" of Americans by putting himself first?

As we've discussed, Biden is doing what is lawful in invoking a 1950 law. Trump did the same thing. Do you also condemn Trump for using the same deliberately mischaracterized "war time powers"?
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@windinhishair The media is censored . The government agencies are weaponized. Biden has been spending to much of taxpayer dollars. The point of bringing up the threat to democracy was to make it known to you. I was not comparing to what you think about Trump.
No matter what the media says about assets being left behind ( especially when they lean to the left). I know for a fact about the communication threat.


BY MUNIR AHMED
Sep 4, 2023
ISLAMABAD (AP) — Pakistan’s caretaker prime minister claimed on Monday that U.S. military equipment left behind during the American withdrawal from Afghanistan has fallen into militant hands and ultimately made its way to the Pakistani Taliban.

The equipment — which includes a wide variety of items, from night vision goggles to firearms — is now “emerging as a new challenge” for Islamabad as it has enhanced the fighting capabilities of the Pakistani Taliban, Prime Minister Anwaar-ul-Haq Kakar said.

The Pakistani Taliban, known as Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan or TTP, have over the past months intensified attacks on Pakistan’s security forces. They are a separate militant group but an ally of the Afghan Taliban.

The Taliban overran Afghanistan in mid-August 2021 as U.S. and NATO troops were in the last weeks of their chaotic pullout from the country after 20 years of war. In the face of the Taliban sweep, the U.S.-backed and trained Afghan military crumbled.

There is no definite information on how much U.S. equipment was left behind — but the Taliban seized U.S.-supplied firepower, recovering guns, ammunition, helicopters and other modern military equipment from Afghan forces who surrendered it. Though no one knows the exact value, U.S. defense officials have confirmed it is significant.

Speaking to a select group of journalists at his office Monday in the Pakistani capital of Islamabad, Kakar did not provide any evidence to support his allegation or directly link the Afghan Taliban and the TTP. He said there was a need to adopt a “coordinated approach” to tackling the challenge of the leftover equipment.

Kakar also did not criticize the Afghan Taliban — Islamabad has tried to reach out and act as an interlocutor between the international community and the new rulers in Kabul, who have been ostracized for the harsh edicts they imposed since their takeover.

However, two security officials in Islamabad told The Associated Press that the TTP either bought the equipment from the Afghan Taliban, or was given it as an ally. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the subject.

The Pakistani Taliban have also released statements and video clips in recent months, claiming they possess, for example, guns with laser and thermal sighting systems.

TTP fighters now target Pakistani troops from a distance, while before their only weapons were AK-47 assault rifles, one of the officials said, without elaborating.

Still, Pakistani security forces will continue to fight militants “to defend our home, children, mosques and places of worship,” Kakar said.

Kakar, 52, was sworn in last month as Pakistan’s youngest prime minister to head a caretaker government. His Cabinet will run day-to-day affairs until the next parliamentary elections. The vote, which was to be held in October or November, is likely to be delayed until at least January 2024 as Pakistan’s elections oversight body says it needs time to redraw constituencies to reflect the latest census results.

Kakar ruled out any talks between the government and the TTP since the militants unilaterally broke off a cease-fire last November.

Since the Taliban takeover next door, Islamabad says TTP fighters have increasingly been given shelter by the Afghan Taliban, straining relations between Islamabad and Kabul.

Pakistan became a key ally of Washington in its war against terror after the 9/11 attacks in the United States. This majority Muslim country is currently facing one of the worst economic crises even as its political turmoil deepens.

At his news conference, Kakar also stressed that all political parties — including the Pakistan Tahreek-e-Insaf opposition party of now imprisoned former Prime Minister Imran Khan — would be allowed to participate in the upcoming elections.

“We are here just to assist electoral process,” Kakar said.

He did not directly mention Khan, who is not eligible to run in the elections as he is serving a three-year prison term for corruption. Khan, who was ousted in a no-confidence vote in April 2022, remains the country’s leading opposition figure.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@specman How convenient to refuse to believe facts because anything you don't like is "censored". Do you have a source for that bogus assertion or is that "censored" too?

My source was the military through their spokesman. Do you think the military is "left-leaning"?

Are threats to democracy only threats when they come from Democrats or Joe Biden? Let's see you say that Trump is a threat to democracy for wielding wartime powers through the DPA. You can do it.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@windinhishair I have shed light on your errors. Accept them or not
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@specman Return when you can discuss facts and data.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@windinhishair with the current administration you cannot believe any data most government agencies put out! So people go by the way life is. For example things were better when Trump was in office. People that go by the data this administration puts out go blindly off the data and think things are going great or at Least the numbers say it’s good. I don’t know why everything cost so much. It must be the rest of the world making the darn inflation.

During Covid and after Joe manipulated the media.

You asked me if I thought the military leaned left. The DOD is going left and it’s trying to lean the whole military that way. Again Joe trying to weaponize government branches..

I know for a fact about the encryption on the communications and the USMC still using those armored vehicles and guns left behind in Afghanistan.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@specman I see. So economic "facts" are what you feel, not what the data show, nor what would be expected around the world as countries emerge from the pandemic. How very convenient, and a great example of why rational discussion with MAGAs is impossible.

Specifically how did Joe "manipulate the media"? And is that all media, or just media that presents facts and data instead of feelings?

Specifically how is Joe "weaponizing government branches"? Do you have facts, or is this based on feelings too?

I'm sure the outdated equipment left behind in Afghanistan following Trump's commitment to leave is being used. You can also use a WWI helmet as well. The new ones used by the military are better. Similarly, modern equipment is better--you know, the kind of assets removed prior to withdrawal. If the military says they took the valuable assets and left the rest behind after they had a year to do so, why would you automatically believe otherwise? Oh, that's right. Feelings. Screw what the Pentagon says about Pentagon assets deployed by the Pentagon during a Pentagon operation.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@windinhishair if you don’t see and attest to what I pointed out it doesn’t matter what I show you as proof you will always denounce it. But I will give you some evidence. You will have to be patient though.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@specman i will go with what the Pentagon says about their own assets over feelings. I look forward to your hard data from reliable sources on weaponization and manipulation.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@windinhishair


The link to the story , shows Biden censoring. The judge admitted that he likely violated free speech.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/politics/biden-administration-social-media-lawsuit/index.html


The above link also shows that the government agency's are weaponized by censoring.

The court is allowing for the Government to use the media. Which will as the judge earlier stated will likely violate the first amendment. With the judge allowing them to more than likely violate the first amendment demonstrates corruption on behalf of Biden.

This article has a breakdown of everything left behind.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/politics/afghan-weapons-left-behind/index.html#:~:text=Of%20that%20total%2C%20equipment%20worth%20%247.12%20billion%20remained,and%20other%20materials%2C%20according%20to%20the%20DoD%20report.



The part of the article you need to focus on is this one.

US military equipment and weapons left behind
Aircraft worth $923.3 million remained in Afghanistan. The US left 78 aircraft procured for the government of Afghanistan at Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul before the end of the withdrawal. These aircraft were demilitarized and rendered inoperable before the US military left, the report states. The US military conducted its non-combatant evacuation from Afghanistan in August, primarily through that airport.

A total of 9,524 air-to-ground munitions, valued at $6.54 million, remained in Afghanistan at the conclusion of the US military withdrawal. The “significant majority” of the “remaining aircraft munitions stock are non-precision munitions,” the report states.

Over 40,000 of the total 96,000 military vehicles the US gave to Afghan forces remained in Afghanistan at the time of the US withdrawal, including 12,000 military Humvees, the report states. “The operational condition of the remaining vehicles” in Afghanistan is “unknown,” the report states.

Local civilians walk past a tank destroyed during heavy fighting in an area controlled by Russian-backed separatist forces in Mariupol, Ukraine, Tuesday, April 19, 2022. Taking Mariupol would deprive Ukraine of a vital port and complete a land bridge between Russia and the Crimean Peninsula, seized from Ukraine from 2014. (AP Photo/Alexei Alexandrov)
Russia shifts tactics, steps up pace of assault in Ukraine's east and south
More than 300,000 of the total 427,300 weapons the US gave to Afghan forces remained in Afghanistan at the time of the US military withdrawal, according to the report. Less than 1,537,000 of the “specialty munitions” and “common small arms ammunition,” valued at a total of $48 million, are still in the country, the report states.

“Nearly all” of the communications equipment that the US gave to Afghan forces, including base-station, mobile, man-portable and hand-held commercial and military radio systems, and associated transmitters and encryption devices also remained in Afghanistan at the time of the withdrawal, the report states.

“Nearly all” night vision, surveillance, “biometric and positioning equipment” totaling nearly 42,000 pieces of specialized equipment remained in the country, the report adds.

And “nearly all,” of the explosive ordinance disposal and demining equipment, including 17,500 “pieces of explosive detection, electronic countermeasure, disposal and personal protective equipment” also remained in Afghanistan, according to the report.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@specman The article indicates that the Biden Administration asked social media companies to refrain from posting false information on covid and the election outcome. The companies refused and were concerned about their right to post false information for consumption by right-wing consumers. There was no censorship because nothing was removed. There was no weaponization because nothing was removed. I'm not sure how this constitutes corrupt use of the media on behalf of the administration since nothing was changed. Social media companies continued to, and continue to this day, to post knowingly false information about covid, the clear Biden victory in 2020, and other issues. The factless right-wing media posts on this site reflect the consequences of those ongoing posts.

The article listing equipment left in Afghanistan appears to show demilitarized or low-level equipment owned by the US government, as well as other equipment owned by Afghanistan like communications equipment and surveillance equipment. That was given to Afghanistan and was not US controlled.

I don't see anything that contradicts the Pentagon statements about what they left in Afghanistan. Mobilization costs money, and so does demobilization. The US decided not to spend the money to repatriate some items that were of limited use to them moving forward.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@windinhishair The articles state they were left behind. The article about the censoring was for censorship .
Also weaponization

https://www.foxnews.com/media/doj-fails-stop-rachel-levines-emails-being-exposed-litigation-alabamas-sex-change-ban-minors

https://www.newstarget.com/2023-02-21-emails-rachel-levine-potential-revenue-child-trans.html

https://siouxcountyradio.com/fox-news-latest/doj-fails-to-stop-rachel-levines-emails-being-exposed-in-litigation-over-alabamas-sex-change-ban-for-minors/

https://dailycaller.com/2023/02/17/rachel-levine-financial-motive-child-sex-change-surgeries-transgender/

https://www.theohiopressnetwork.com/news/us/discovered-rachel-levine-discusses-potential-revenue-from-child-sex-change-procedures-in-emails/article_0e24a12c-b146-11ed-93a6-dbf799da9456.html