Hillary Clinton won the third highest number of Popular votes in American History

@FootballLife: sorry my friend, you need to go back to civics class. You couldn't be more wrong… All legal votes are included in the popular vote. But this is America… And the one thing that you did get right, is that the popular vote alone is meaningless… It's the electoral votes that count. The Electoral college is what you need to study up on… our forefathers put this in place to prevent a pure democracy where a simple majority rules. Consider the example of two wolves and one Lamb voting on what's for dinner… Unless the two wolves are vegetarians, the lamb doesn't have a chance. Using the 538 electorates Also makes it very hard for fraudulent voters to tilt any election. The electoral college was pure genius…

The popular vote is not indicative of the raw numbers like they lead you to believe. It's leave out some groups of votes. Maybe a civics class definition will say other wise, but that isn't the numbers that they report

Where in the world did you get information to lead you to believe that?

@Dudeman: look at the numbers in the popular vote, then Google it and find different sources. Look on mainstream liberal media. Look on Republican media. Look on conservative media. They are all different. People manipulate that to make there person look good and the one she's talking about to where Clinton had so many more votes just happens to be the election day one

They haven't even been finalized yet… Unless Michigan came in today, they are still counting votes… Nobody can publish an accurate number yet.
That being said, I still don't see how that justifies your original claim that mail-in and absentee ballot's are not counted in the popular vote.

She is saying that Clinton was so far ahead in the popular vote, I was just pointing out that that is not the case when looking at the ACTUAL popular vote.

It's not a big liberal plot or ploy. Soon enough you will all be blaming Hillary supporters that Trump WON!

These are not my numbers. This is from Poiltifact....
And there are many other sites. Heck, even Fox News says HillRy has more popular votes.





'But while it’s absolutely true that Trump won the Electoral College vote -- which is the only thing that matters in determining who moves into the White House on Jan. 20 -- he is not leading in the popular vote.
The most comprehensive vote-tracking analysis is published by David Wasserman of the nonpartisan Cook Political Report. As of 2:30 p.m. on Nov. 14, according to Wasserman’s calculations, Clinton led Trump by 784,748 votes -- specifically, 61,422,098 for Clinton, 60,637,350 for Trump, and 6,691,311 for other candidates.

Other tallies showed similar results. CNN at that time showed a Clinton-over-Trump margin of 668,059, while the Associated Press had a margin of 668,483. (Different media outlets may report different numbers at a given time because of delays in obtaining and uploading new data.)'

Agreed, not all votes are in yet. But u see how the numbers are different.. that number is easy to manipulate by tracking slightly different data sets with the same general information. And it still doesn't take into account absentee voting where Trump had an overwhelming lead. I'm not saying ur wrong, she probably had more votes, just that u can't trust the number of popular vote because it is fluid and in the end meaningless. Only the big cities and highly populated areas vote for Clinton, that's why her numbers are up. If u look at a geographical map of the counties in each state and add up the red and blue areas, Trump won over 80% of the nation's physical area. It's no surprise she lost, I don't know why people are complaining and rioting about it. (That's not directed at u)

@FootballLife: absentee votes are all counted except for the few places that final numbers aren't recorded yet. All absentee ballots are included in those numbers for the states that have completed counting. They are votes. They do count. States don't hold onto them for some other reason without counting them. Btw absentee ballots are a very tiny proportion of total votes cast.

You are right about the riots. If they want change, they can organize (maybe some organizing will come out of the riots tho) and work toward the midterms. But rioting coz one didn't agree with has won, is absolutely unhelpful

Except where it may keep the other side on their toes with respect to the publics deep held feelings on immigration, women's rights, the right to choose, the nonsense of building a wall (most illegal immigrants come across at legs borders and airports and just don't go home, they overstay), the prospect of losing their health care, Medicare, Medicaid, pensions, and many many other things that they feel they need the government to stay awake on.

Some marches are worth the effort. They should not be riots. So far they are protest marches with some idiots rioting

More people lost their Healthcare than gained it from Obama care. That HAS to go. And the government does need to stop illegal immigration in order to make room for more legal immigrants. But I will agree with u that a wall isn't the only answer. Lots other things need to be don't other than securing the land border. And we have to deport the criminals that are here rather than the state governments providing them with free education, free food, free Healthcare, all paid for but us Americans that work and pay taxes. That's the problem, we have. And u are correct about the riots. They should need to be stopped

@FootballLife: that is the first time I have read that, so please site your source. 22,000,000 people have gained health care who did not have coverage before ACA.

Not saying you're wrong, but as there are hundreds of conspiracy-theory sites masquerading as news sites, I'd love to know, and love to read where you got that.

Not yet. The ACA or Obama care is being released in parts so different parts of the law take effect in different years. The part of the law which forces old plans to get dropped doesn't begin till next year (that's a horrible explanation) but point is, as of right now, over 12 million people will lose their health care next year... and the people who already switched are paying WAY more for it,

@FootballLife: very interesting. I hang read that. I will look up the timetable for its phasing in of various components

Personally my family health insurance doubled in cost and coverage was slightly reduced.. that's a even bigger problem. Cost across the board are up for every aspect of health care