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You folks must have had a liberal education that did not teach history as it really is. Most of those people in the south that took up arms against the north were not defending slavery as perceived and taught by liberal educators. They took up arms to save their part of the country because the North (who were Republicans at that time and the Southerners were Democrats which is something that the schools do not teach). The northern industrialists did not want the south to be able to produce fabric from their own cotton and blockaded any chance for them to get the machinery to do so, the greedy democrats of the north wanted to control the south. Did you know the north still had slaves working in their factories after the civil war; probably not. If you liberals are so offended by these statues then you need to do something about Washington, Jefferson and other big political leaders statues much of whom were democrats and slave owners. Do you need to tear out those faces from Rushmore, change the name of Washington DC, Washington state, tear down the Jefferson Memorial, remove any mention of them from your liberal history books? You and many others have been brainwashed by a liberal education system. The news, Colbert, Kimmel and others on TV have twisted and taken Trump's words and others they do no like out of context for their own fake news. You liberals talk about hateful conservatives are just listen to Colbert, Kimmel, Whoopie Goldberg, Saturday Night Live and other liberals speak about the present elected leaders. You did not hear this when Obama was in office from these same folks. You idiots feel threatened and respond with hate and detestable language.
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Pherick · 41-45, M
*yawn*

The South broke away from the union and was founded on slavery. Its in their founding documents and speeches by their founders. Maybe you should be the one doing some reading and learning. Facts don't lean liberal or conservative, they just are.
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Pherick · 41-45, M
@imLobo The Emancipation freed slaves in Confederate states, it was meant to galvanize the war effort, which it did. A great nugget here,

https://www.archives.gov/exhibits/american_originals_iv/sections/nonjavatext_emancipation.html

I have no idea though what this has to do with the Confederacy leaving the union because of slavery.
http://portside.org/2013-11-04/absolute-proof-civil-war-was-about-slavery

Shows quite a few of the documents written for the Confederacy showing it to be for the white man and to keep slavery legal. Its all there in black and white.
acpguy · C
@Pherick I was a history major prior to the liberal takeover of the school systems. Try to find some history books outside of the liberal school systems today and do some self study. The south was run by democrats at that time, the north was conservative, there were folks in the north that felt sorry for the slaves and like today that was made as an excuse for the Civil War rather than tell the people the true reason. I admit there were slaves in the south but that was not the primary cause of the war.
Tell me if you like to think that you know history who was the first president of the US after the Constitution was accepted and then who were the first two presidents prior to the Constitution.
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Pherick · 41-45, M
@acpguy You were not a very good history student then. I have interests in history and all this information is not hard to find.

Talk about your history revision .. dear god.

What does looking up some Presidents have to do with this discussion? Washington was the first President after the Constitution took effect in March of 1789.

There were no real "Presidents" as we know them before Washington, there were quite a few presidents of Congress under the Articles of Confederation, but they were not elected as Presidents we think of now. As I suppose you are trying to show off how smart you are, Griffin and St. Clair were the last two presidents of Congress before the Constitution was put into effect.
Pherick · 41-45, M
@imLobo Thank you for that lovely reposting of information I already knew. What does this have to do with the reasons the Civil War started?

You seem to be implying, and quite badly, that because Lincoln didn't free every slave in every corner of the US that the war wasn't about slavery. Thats not how that works ...
acpguy · C
@Pherick Your site "http://portside.org/2013-11-04/absolute-proof-civil-war-was-about-slavery" does not show any sources for the quotes in it, this is like another fake liberal media site to justify liberal thoughts. Your other site about the Emancipation Proclamation proved nothing. What you have sited is totally meaningless and is not historically true.
Pherick · 41-45, M
@acpguy Talk about a poor student of history. That site had this site as a source,
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/11/03/absolute-proof-civil-war-slavery/

Which if you looked there, shows all the links to the Yale Law site that has copies of the documents.

Your "liberal" insults when evidence is right in front of you just shows you to be as whiny as you are stupid.
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Pherick · 41-45, M
@imLobo I love how it's an all or nothing with you. So the War couldn't have been about States rights in reference to slavery? Whatever, believe whatever you like, just know that History doesn't quite agree with you.
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Pherick · 41-45, M
@imLobo You seem to be leaving out such a major portion of that argument. Are you saying this statement is wrong?

"The Civil War was fought over state's rights on slavery"

If you think thats true, then the war was fought over slavery, as well as state's rights. State's rights about slavery.

See what I am getting at?

Lincoln also did believe in ending slavery well before the Civil War as mentioned quite a bit here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_slavery

He wanted it ended through halting its expansion and then slowly removing it. Which would have been how it happened if not for the Civil War.
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Pherick · 41-45, M
@imLobo
It was fought over being able to keep ones economic base to produce and secure the greatest economic gain for one's goods.

So slavery? Gotcha.
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Pherick · 41-45, M
@imLobo There is no out of context, that is a quote from what you said. The economic base of the South was built on slavery. So how is the war not about slavery again?
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Pherick · 41-45, M
@imLobo Yes they did and that meant they wanted and needed slavery to stay as an institution.

Did you not read ANY of the Confederacy documents where they talk about slavery and the rights of white men?
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Pherick · 41-45, M
@imLobo So you admit there are documents produced by the Confederacy stating that the reason they were leaving the Union was to preserve slavery and the rights of white men.

I don't care about the Constitution or your theories on economics. See if you can just answer my question above with a yes or no answer.
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acpguy · C
@Pherick Read this please;


Blacks Who Fought For the South

Most historical accounts portray Southern blacks as anxiously awaiting President Abraham Lincoln's "liberty-dispensing troops" marching south in the War Between the States. But there's more to the story; let's look at it.
Black Confederate military units, both as freemen and slaves, fought federal troops. Louisiana free blacks gave their reason for fighting in a letter written to New Orleans' Daily Delta: "The free colored population love their home, their property, their own slaves and recognize no other country than Louisiana, and are ready to shed their blood for her defense. They have no sympathy for Abolitionism; no love for the North, but they have plenty for Louisiana. They will fight for her in 1861 as they fought in 1814-15." As to bravery, one black scolded the commanding general of the state militia, saying, "Pardon me, general, but the only cowardly blood we have got in our veins is the white blood."
Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest had slaves and freemen serving in units under his command. After the war, Forrest said of the black men who served under him, "These boys stayed with me.. - and better Confederates did not live." Articles in "Black Southerners in Gray," edited by Richard Rollins, gives numerous accounts of blacks serving as fighting men or servants in every battle from Gettysburg to Vicksburg.
Professor Ed Smith, director of American Studies at American University, says Stonewall Jackson had 3,000 fully equipped black troops scattered throughout his corps at Antietam - the war's bloodiest battle. Mr. Smith calculates that between 60,000 and 93,000 blacks served the Confederacy in some capacity. They fought for the same reason they fought in previous wars and wars afterward: "to position themselves. They had to prove they were patriots in the hope the future would be better ... they hoped to be rewarded."
Many knew Lincoln had little love for enslaved blacks and didn't wage war against the South for their benefit. Lincoln made that plain, saying, "I will say, then, that I am not, nor have ever been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races ... I am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." The very words of his 1863 Emancipation Proclamation revealed his deceit and cunning; it freed those slaves held "within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States." It didn't apply to slaves in West Virginia and areas and states not in rebellion. Like Gen. Ulysses Grant's slaves, they had to wait for the 13th Amendment, Grant explained why he didn't free his slaves earlier, saying, "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Lincoln waged war to "preserve the Union". The 1783 peace agreement with England (Treaty of Paris] left 13 sovereign nations. They came together in 1787, as principals, to create a federal government, as their agent, giving it specific delegated authority -specified in our Constitution. Principals always retain the right to fire their agent. The South acted on that right when it seceded. Its firing on Fort Sumter, federal property, gave Lincoln the pretext needed for the war.
The War Between the States, through force of arms, settled the question of secession, enabling the federal government to run roughshod over states' rights specified by the Constitution's 10th Amendment.
Sons of Confederate Veterans is a group dedicated to giving a truer account of the War Between the States. I'd like to see it erect on Richmond's Monument Avenue a statue of one of the thousands of black Confederate soldiers.
Pherick · 41-45, M
@acpguy Just curious as a source for that tidbit there? Lots of things in that don't make any sense, and its mention, in a positive sense of the SCV, makes me think its from a shitty source. As the SCV has in the more recent 6 or 7 years been thought of as a racist hate group.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2011/02/11/once-again-racism-rears-sons-confederate-veterans
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Pherick · 41-45, M
@imLobo I didn't think you would be able to answer that question.