Why did 14 million Germans vote for Hitler, a nazi and a fascist murderer? Because they were worried about the economy and Hitler blamed the Jews,

@InOtterWords see my explanation below as to why the Germans voted Hitler into power. The nazis did not use the term ‘final solution’. This was actually a Zionist term that was in use before the Nazis existed, the ‘final solution’ referred to a Jewish emigration to a state in Palestine, and any written plan in regards to it were by other Zionists who had to plan for such an event in the context of putting into place the conditions for all Jews to emigrate, in particular those Jews who did not wish to emigrate. The nazis and some Zionists actually collaborated to have German Jews emigrate to Palestine, which was called the Haavara Agreement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement)

@InOtterWords The first concentration camps opened in 1933. And altough they were used for political "dissidents" first. From 1934, people that were identified as being jewish became targeted to be send over there. So even though the entire idea of "the final sollution" was only brought up in 1941, the persecutions and murders were already being done for 9 years before that.

And why was that? Because the NAZI party identified the jewish community as one of the big reasons for Germanies downfall [i](material & cultural/spiritual)[/i] and loss in the 1st world war. Next to that, they also believed in a giant conspiracy where the jewish community was actively undermining european nations. Just to give you an idea how he presented part of his case in 1925:

[quote][i]What soon gave me cause for very serious consideration were the activities of the Jews in certain branches of life, into the mystery of which I penetrated little by little. Was there any shady undertaking, any form of foulness, especially in cultural life, in which at least one Jew did not participate? On putting the probing knife carefully to that kind of abscess one immediately discovered, like a maggot in a putrescent body, a little Jew who was often blinded by the sudden light.

In my eyes the charge against Judaism became a grave one the moment I discovered the Jewish activities in the Press, in art, in literature and the theatre. All unctuous protests were now more or less futile. One needed only to look at the posters announcing the hideous productions of the cinema and theatre, and study the names of the authors who
were highly lauded there in order to become permanently adamant on Jewish questions. Here was a pestilence, a moral pestilence, with which the public was being infected. It was worse than the Black Plague of long ago. And in what mighty doses this poison was manufactured and distributed. Naturally, the lower the moral and intellectual level of such an author of artistic products the more inexhaustible his fecundity. Sometimes it went so far that one of these fellows, acting like a sewage pump, would shoot his filth directly in the face of other members of the human race. In this connection we must remember there is no limit to the number of such people. One ought to realize that for one, Goethe, Nature may bring into existence ten thousand such despoilers who act as the worst kind of germ-carriers in poisoning human souls. It was a terrible thought, and yet it could not be avoided, that [b]the greater number of the Jews seemed specially [u]destined by Nature[/u] to play this shameful part.[/b][/i]

- A. Hitler, [i]Mein Kampf -Chapter 2: Years of suffering and studying in Vienna[/i] (1925)[/quote]

[b]SOURCE:[/b] https://greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf

If he actually did wonders in the economy is also a question. According to the US Holocaust museum memorial before july 1933, 27.000 people were put in concentration camps. So a lot of work suddenly got availble. And the numbers only rose in the upcomming years. Another thing he did, was stop the [i](imo criminal)[/i] demands by the Belgian and French governement to repay the war debt that imposed on Germany during the treaty of Versailles. He slowly build up a war economy, an economy that was focused on destruction not building. But as long as there is no war, it creates job opportunity. He deliberated the economy in a weird way, 'cause Germany privatised a lot of business. But privatisation means nothing in a totalitarian regime where all the private business owners can just dissapear at the moment that they refuse to comply with the state. In a strange way, there was private property that was still guided and used by the state for the state. For in fascism, nothing is outside the state. [i](Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State. - B. Mussolini)[/i] And the last thing that is oftenly mentioned, is the miracle of the "autobahn", where Germans were put to work to create infrastructure. An idea that by modern historians has been debunked over and over. Because it was propaganda and not reality.


[b]SOURCE:[/b]
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/political-prisoners
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsautobahn


What he did do however, was make "the peoples'" life better. "The People", being those Germans that were accepted as real Germans. Those that weren't deported to the camps because they weren't scapegoats like: left-wingers, liberals, jews, gypsies, slaves, ... . And those that were hated because of what the party perceived as undermining the German spirit: gays, crossdressers, drug users, psychological disturbed people, criminals, ... etc. But if you murder and incarcerate a lot of people, it becomes easier to use the resources that these people ussually used to relocate them to that part of the community that you favor for your fascist political project.

It was more then perceiving him as a great leader. The issue was more that in the current conditions, things like:

* The War debt, and the pressure by nations to pay it in an already bad economic situation (creating poverty)
* A political gridlock, after Germany was forced to adopt a liberal constitution with a democratic model
* Violence and disorder on the streets
* A feeling of deep humiliation after the 1st world war and the anexation by the Rhurgebied by French and Belgian troops.
* The loss of territory
* The fear for a communist revolt and the upcomming soviet union
* ...

All these things that were even more blown up by propaganda, mainly from the NAZI party, created a feeling of despair in the electorate. Nothing seems to get better, things only seem to get worst. And the NAZI party provided a radical sollution, as if they were the "saviors" of the nation. And they gave a clear answer to the question: "Why are things so bad?", well it's not about "you" [i](being their electorate and the conservatives) [/i]it's because of "those people". Which gave a part of the electorate their pride back, and make them feel all good inside. Because selfreflection is just hard. And it's way more easier to tell people that they did nothing wrong and blame it all on groups that were already perceived in a negative light, then too try to understand the difficult and sometimes hurtfull reasons that put a nation in a certain spot. For a lot of people, it's also an easier message to swallow then: "We are all equal for the law and have the same right to govern and steer OUR country." instead of the: "We are better then others and we have the right to this land because of our blood linneage. And other people should submit to us, because this is our land and our birthright.".

As Plato once wrote:

[quote][i][b]This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.[/b][/i]

- Plato, [i]The Republic[/i][/quote]

@InOtterWords the reasons how hitler got into power and how he stayed in power are a bit more complicated... however if hitler was assasinated in late 38 or early 39 he would have gone down into history as one of the greatest politicans ever.

@AngelofFail You think people would just forget all the political assassinations between 1933-1938? Or the horrible conditions inside the concentration camps? The way how he changes Germany into a totalitarian autocratic regime? Not to mention all the corruption that was going down with party members, 'cause the NAZI party pretty much pillaged the German state treasury for their own personal passions.

@Kwek00 people have a very selective memory.. if you ask many would say that churchill was a great politican even though he was a mass murdering narcist...

after 20 years noone cares for the roehm putsch or the progroms against jews, communists or homosexuals etc. what people will remember is adding the sudetenlands and effectively all of czechia aswell as austria to germany... and all that without firing a single shot.

@AngelofFail I really really really doubt that. But hey, we can't proof a counter factual. But I really doubt it.

@InOtterWords I will not have fake news on my post!

@AngelofFail Churchill was a great leader. I will not have fake news on my post!

@Carazaa Churchill did intentionally cause a famine in India and didn't like Indian people

@Kwek00 Thank you!

@pianoplayingsteve Churchil was NOT a fascist, he was a peaceful man, Hitler was a fascist who was voted in by 14 million people because he was angry about the economy and he blamed Jews, disabled, homosexual, and foreigners.[b] HE MURDERED THEM!! PEOPLE DID NOT REALIZE THAT HATRED IS NOT OK, EVER[/b]

@Carazaa I never said he was a fascist. It's possible to do something wrong without having a fascist government. In modern discourse so many words are defined and confused as things are given different meanings and interpretations based on what is politically convenient that day. We've been trained to think that certain things are synonymous with other things. Did you also ignore the long post I made explaining the events leading up to Hitler's rise that explained why people voted for him?:)

@pianoplayingsteve [b][big]STOP! [/big][/b]

@Carazaa You're asking me to stop defending myself from a claim you made about what I was supposed to have said about Churchil?

@pianoplayingsteve [b][big]STOP! You are putting blame on Churchill not Hitler! STOP! [/big][/b]

@Carazaa No im saying its not so black and white

@pianoplayingsteve [b][big] FASCISM KILLS![/big][/b]

@Carazaa Yes, fascism isn't particularly great when carried out to certain extremes.

@pianoplayingsteve You will not stop although I've asked you over and over! fascism is never ok, hatred is never ok!

@Carazaa Well, as Jesus said “Never give up, for that is just the place and time that the tide will turn.”

@Carazaa i am by no means a supporter of Hitler, he was a hateful, horrible person.
I do however see that had it not been for his extermination of the Jews, Romanys, Communists etc etc he would have gone down in history as a great leader and i can see why he was voted in. This is not fake, it is about understanding why it happened.

Churchill himself was responsible for the death of c4million indians by using all of India's resources for the war effort and letting a famine rage though Bengal. He has blood on his hands too

@InOtterWords Exactly, Otter :) People like to make history black and white based on whatever narrative they use to navigate the present. But history is very complicated. One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.

People don't understand why Hitler won times man of the year, and that's because schools conveniently don't tell you about pre nazi germany and pre nazi europe. It would go against the foundational myth of the 20th century.

@pianoplayingsteve exactly this.

@Carazaa when i was in Berlin i spent the day with a historian from the university. I asked him why did the German people stand by and watch as the Jews were persecuted and he explained how it was not just the fear of being carted off themselves but there was a huge jealousy towards this very strong established community that did very little to integrate itself with the non-jews. This led to jealousy, fear and suspicion. This is the lesson we need to take. By not integrating with the wider society it leaves communities exposed and open to hatred.

@InOtterWords It what was way more than that. Did you read my lengthy explanation?

@InOtterWords [b][big]STOP![/big][/b]