I Am Going to Say Something Controversial

@Scribbles When they report a crime， they should say 'the suspect is a 20-year old Spanish/French/Moroccan/American/whatever guy'. Nationality is omitted now most of the times.

@Cierzo They should? Why? It might only be a pertinent detail for the police officers. Why would you need to know?

But could racial or citzenship information useful to people in the community who might know the attacker or want to avoid harm themselves? Hmm...well I really don't think citzenship or even skin color of a person is very reliable as an identifier for the general public. I do think that parinoid people or someone who is really naive or someone who is likely to accidently or purpossefully stir up trouble will use the information to cause more problems.idk. Also...could it not also be true that eywitness information so general as Spanish, or French or whatever...that it only merely contributes to stereotypes and bias about one group or another?" I think it's ridiculously easy for media to influence how people view any group of people. It's not fun to walk around feeling watched or like you got a target on your back. Nor is it useful to be suspicons of anyone who *might* one day shoot or poison you because studies show blahblahblab. It just doesn't seem realistic. If I judged people by casual and shallow observations I'd still be afraid of black men because of one lousy assault and never had some great friendships later one, I'd actually probably find reasons to be a bloody hermit if it comes down to it. But that's no way to live.

Idk, personally I've nevered cared about race, citzenship or what language or culture a criminal is from. I care more about the how and why.

@Scribbles Self-preservation. If criminality rates from any national group are abnormally high compared to their number, I will do my best to avoid them, the places and activities they frequent, and will have in mind the attitude of political parties towards them to decide my vote

@Cierzo My dad would probably agree with you. Safety first. He Hated when I'd work or live in a neighborhood that was too "dark". As if the presence of black people meant I was going to be murdered in my sleep. 🙄 That kind of attitude bothers me.

I have to ask though...whose self preservasion are you talking about? Yourself, your family? Your demographic? What about others? You were talking about a whole population adopting this correct?

To me your idea of self preservation sounds boring...and more like the ideals of a hermit or isolationist (stay away from anything even remotely scary or outside my comfort zone.) Then one concerned with creating a thriving cooperative civilization. In fact, I think your idea would create more harm for society.

@Scribbles I am talking about self-preservation as an individual, family, culture, nation, all of them.

To you it sound boring, to me it sound wise. And hermit or isolationist do not sound like bad words at all, the opposite. You see harm there, I see it in mixing for the sake of mixing people with different cultures and thoughts about how to live.

@Cierzo Alright, I suppose I just don't understand yet how your approach would result in self preservation any more then doing anything else...but most especially for a whole population of a country. Maybe I'm biased, but I always thought the comfort of a hermit or isolationist approach towards others was akin to the effect a placebo might have...and that IF on the extremely rare chance there IS an actual real threat to my safety...hermit-hood doesn't do a thing to help me. In fact, I think it makes it worse in my experience. idk

You don't value diversity much then?

@Scribbles I believe homogeneous societies work better. Promoting an heterogeneous society is s great way for the elites to have population fighting among them instead of doing it against the mega-rich.

@Scribbles you and I have recently been talking about tribalism...........here's an example of how a seemingly benign tribalistic stance which seeks to protect a homogeneous society, ultimately leads to nationalistic isolationism and discrimination.

@Cierzo Here's the thing...homogeneous societies have their own elites and plenty of in-fighting too. Because nobody is ever all exactly the same. Control and power quickly becomes more important. They put the squeeze on their own people until it all implodes or they start to terrorize people outside their little bubble of a society. sorry, I don't see how it would "work better".

@room101 I know it, thanks Roomie. 😁 I believe it has great potential to lead to that outcome you mentioned and MORE besides.

Scary example you made to fit cierzo's proposal below regarding "UK's should know if white male americans are among them because of gun violence". Even though America has a serious gun violence problem. Cierzo's thing here made me think of the movies minority report and Gatticca in an odd way. Imagine if the world and everybody WAS so profiled and stereotyped to death by race, culture, parents, education, socioeconomically circumstances, history, everything etc, etc...and people thought they could predict everything about you and your actions. And nobody cared to change anything except for a few people.

Would probably make a good scifi book. Can I call dibs?
Who am I kidding, I'd probably never find the time to write it.

@Scribbles The story has been told in various way by various authors.

1984 by George Orwell
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess

Those are the old classics...............and my favourites ☺

@room101 😳 I forgot about those stories...though it's probably been 15 or so years since I've read them or seen the films. And I'm not sure if I've ever read Brave New World or if I only ever read excerpts of it in long ago classes. 🤔

I first thought of the more modern takes. Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron for one, and some Ursula K Leguin and others. Or maybe I just accidentally lean more towards American authors first? 😂