I Am Going to Say Something Controversial

@room101 Have I mentioned the word race?
And anyway, if some races as a whole are more violent than others, people has the right to know it

@Cierzo Every race, culture, ethnic group or whatever label you want to use, has the same basic principles of morality and ethics. Just as they have the same propensities for violence and crime. What varies is how morality, ethics, violence and crime are expressed. And more often than not, the root causes of that expression are socio-economic pressures.

What you are advocating is nothing more than blame culture and is no different to what the Nazis did seventy odd years ago.

@room101 Are you serious? Every race and culture the same morality, ethics, and propensities for crime? It is clear that Marxism causes irreversible brain damage.

@Cierzo Approximately seven weeks ago, a white, wealthy, Anglo-Saxon male, who was a born and bred American going back God knows how many generations, rented two rooms in the Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las Vegas. He had armed himself with 23 guns and proceeded to murder fifty-eight people and injure a further 546 others.

I have been studying the incidence of mass shootings, world-wide, from 2010 to date and as a result of my studies, I am now launching a campaign calling on the UK government to ban all white American males from entering the country. Furthermore, all Americans already in the UK are to be placed on a watch list and all crimes that they commit must be reported by all main stream media with an emphasis on the American nationality of these criminals.

Because, every UK citizen has the right to know that they have gun obsessed American lunatics walking the streets amongst them.

You and I have interacted a number of times in the past and quite often, you post some thought provoking things. I may not always agree with the entirety of what you say, but there is usually something there that makes sense. Occasionally, however, you come out with such unmitigated crap that I'm left wondering whether you suffer from some form of split personality disorder. This is one of those occasions.

Marxism my arse!

@room101 You and I have interacted more than once, true, and for some reason your tolerance (tolerance to what you agree with you, of course) seems quite triggered now and you talk about 'unmitigated crap'. I smell fear.

Not only that, I smell manipulation. I never talked about judging an entire race or culture according to just one individual. More about the opposite. If we had accurate data of the race and citizenship of criminals when crime happens, we could make out a much more accurate portrait to their propensity to crime as a whole.

Anyway, if you are so sure that this propensity is the same in every race or culture, why are you so afraid of this information being provided? It should prove your theory, and more people would believe it. Maybe because reality would prove it wrong?

@Cierzo Every police force in the developed world has that data and uses it in all manner of ways. They also have developed all sorts of techniques in behavioural analysis and profiling. However, they do not wantonly spread that information because it serves no purpose to the wider population.

Oh and that fear that you're smelling, it's your own.

And yes, my tolerance levels have vastly diminished over the last few years. It started with the rise of far-right rhetoric that I saw in Europe and came to boiling point twelve months ago when I saw the American people put an absolute moron in the White House.

@Cierzo By the way, please name one culture, one nationality, one race, one ethnic group that does not enshrine the basic principles of; do not kill others, do not steal and, do not lie in its social constructs.

You can't. Want to know why?

Because...........every race, culture, ethnic group or whatever label you want to use, has the same basic principles of morality and ethics. Just as they have the same propensities for violence and crime.

@room101
I agree with you on that. It started with a promoted invasion of my continent disguised as a refugee crisis, with trying to persuade kids that being transexual before they even know what about sex is cool, with laughable attempts to awake ideologies that have been dead for 70 years to describe those who dare to disagree the status quo, and in general, with those damned identity politics that are so fond to criminalise people for being white, heterosexual and male.

@room101 So, according to you, the chances that you can get back a lost wallet are the same in Washington or in Tokyo?

@Cierzo Hey, guess what? I'm white, heterosexual and male. I'm also a first generation immigrant to the UK (I'm Greek in case you were wondering) and nobody has even attempted to criminalise or damn me.

Add paranoia to the fear that you're surrounding yourself with.

@Cierzo Do you remember the bit where I said:

"the root causes of that expression are socio-economic pressures."

Japanese culture has a strict honour code at its base. It also has The Yakuza and all sorts of other levels and types of criminality. America has a rabid obsession with guns.

So, if I've lost my wallet, it very much depends on who finds it and, if it is found.

@room101 Japanese culture has a strict code of honour. American culture revolves a lot about arms.

You are proving my point, that all cultures are different. And since they are different, their attitude to violence is different too.

@Cierzo No mate, I'm not proving your point. I'm proving mine. Stop cherry picking from what I've said and look at it all. Here it is again.

Every race, culture, ethnic group or whatever label you want to use, has the same basic principles of morality and ethics. Just as they have the same propensities for violence and crime. What varies is how morality, ethics, violence and crime are expressed. And more often than not, the root causes of that expression are socio-economic pressures.

What you are advocating is nothing more than blame culture and is no different to what the Nazis did seventy odd years ago.

@room101 If you say all cultures have the same basic principle of morality and ethics, and then you stress the strict Japanese honour code, it means that honour code does not exist in other cultures, so you are being contradictory.

@Cierzo Wait, what????? How the hell did you come to that conclusion?

There is an ancient Chinese proverb which says:

"Man in hole should stop digging."

Give it up Cierzo, you're an intelligent guy with some solid thoughts and ideas. But you're just making yourself look silly now.

@room101 Solid ideas like this one:

Nation is cultured-based. All cultures are different. Therefore their attitudes regarding crimes like murder, rape, theft are too.

Therefore I have the right to know if there is some nationality (hence culture) whose crime propensity to crime is too high beyond average to avoid it, not living in or going to places they go to, and having in mind parties' regarding them when I vote

I just want information that is useful for self-preservation, because I think that is the task media have to perform in a society

@Cierzo sorry, I messed up. I meant to post the above as part of this dialogue thread but posted it as a separate comment in error.

@room101 It is ok, I see it was meant to be an answer to my last reply.