I look at it as pro humanity

We don’t talk about the women that don’t make it out of the hospital after child birth, we don’t talk about the amount of children who either wind up in the system forgotten about or in inhumane households , I don’t even look at this as pro life or pro choice

I view it as pro humanity because women are human beings , and there are a multitude of reasons why a women may not go through with a pregnancy.

A man/ Amab individual doesn’t have to carry a fetus turned living breathing person in their body

We’ll never have to worry about what that does to you mentally , physically and emotionally

So I personally find it shameful that men are the ones making rules for women and their bodies.

I understand not everyone sees it the way I do , but if you wish to argue or debate , I suggest looking elsewhere because it won’t be happening on my post

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JollyRoger · 70-79, M

You are right! Men should not be 'making the rules' about how a woman should use her body.
This whole argument is RELIGION based on the idea that God creates each individual, and that to kill a foetus is against God's will. I'll agree that God gives a spirit to the foetus that each of us grows from, but there are many social situations (primarily rape, incest, drug addictions) that require an answer to the question: "What will this child's life be like for THEM." Yes, I'm saying that where a child's life could/would be cut short by diseases, lack of care, mental disabilities, genetic dysfunctions, these processes of natural selection are now defeated by interference by medical practises we call 'miracles'. And: I have not addressed your initial postulation about what about the woman who is medically unable to birth a child due to her own disabilities. As I said, God gives us each a spirit and we grow into people; with that spirit He gives us the ability to choose our own desires and destinies. Why should a person other than ourself decide that destiny for us? If abortion is a 'sin' then God will decide at the time of His judgement whether we will suffer punishment (or not).

AfroDOS · 31-35, T

@JollyRoger With the exception of religion, we agree more than we disagreed

idontcareok · 70-79, M

@JollyRoger like get a real life, not what;s in your head

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@idontcareok OK.... you poked me.... now what's your stand on this?

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JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@idontcareok Screwed up?? You obviously have a different take on abortion and women's rights.... What's yours?

idontcareok · 70-79, M

@JollyRoger actually same as you it's a womans right to do what she wants, your reply was just harder to read, i was in a hurry, sorry i agree eith you, it's not a bunch of guys making the laws

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@idontcareokOK... now that we're actually discussing: My purpose in writing 'so much' is that I am trying to outline the consequences caused (by example) by banning abortions. Some of those ideas I express here are antithetical (against) what polite society says publicly but in reality is what is causing so much difficulty in our society (NO: I don't advocate 'purging' people who have disabilities); however it's currently a 'given' that any disabled baby who is born to breath air must then live in a 'life-support' system: one managed by medical people who make much money from that person's life-span; which complicates the lives of the person's parents, our education system, our social support system (welfare), etc. = it's all artificial! There (was) a process of natural selection (natural without human intervention) where people died when they could not survive by eating, breathing, moving and 'learning how to be independent' from and with the 'other' people in their society. It's a harsh but (I propose it was) a reality and now it isn't. Are we stronger as a species because of this application of 'medicine'? Are we stronger by banning abortions? Are we imposing 'our' will on other people's wills - even on the will of people who struggle through life and are not permitted an alternative? Think about it: Is suicide an endorsed act? Why not?
AND: "Idontcareok" - I think you do care - one way or the other.

SomeMichGuy · M

@JollyRoger I agree that you should

• stop using any medicines, including aspirin, etc.

• seek to have any antibodies you have as a result of any vaccine filtered from your blood

• not use any aids (seeing, hearing)

• withdraw from all social programs

• stop using any insurance and only self-insure

• reject everything you learned which you did not directly discover or which was not directly discovered by your family's previous generations

• grow / make all of your pwn food

• generate all your own power, heat, etc.

• make all your own objects (start with not using electronics, so get rid of your phone)

Have fun in the new stone age.

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@SomeMichGuy EXACTLY! The American people pride themselves on their 'independence' i.e., "live FREE or DIE" attitude! Why not take it to the extreme😜

SomeMichGuy · M

@JollyRoger I agree that YOU should do this.

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@SomeMichGuy I'll take that under advisement.... I hope to someday! - meaning "both".
Perhaps the POTUS could export this philosophy to Putin or Netanyahu without adding a tariff?