I Am Pro Choice

@roberta if you needed a new kidney to live and you and I were an exact match, I have the right to say no - even though that means you'll die. Would you also like the law to force me to give up a kidney so you can live?

We have to become closer to our lord Jesus Christ then. Did the ability to do transplants exist to save everyone that needed one? I would trust the Lord in these cases, that is all I could do. His will not mine. Lean on his understanding, not mine If I did mot get a kidney I needed to survive, then I would accept that it was my time to die and make sure my relationship with the lord my god was in order, it is all I can do.

Well, much like you, I don't wish to offend, but... your "lord jesus christ" is just a myth. *shrug*

But let's pretend he's real, just for a moment. Why would you think your God would deem somebody dying because they couldn't get a transplant was OK, but "somebody*" dying because the mother wanted or needed an abortion was not?

* And just to be clear, a fetus isn't really a "somebody." It's a mass of cells.

Whatever a woman decides to do with her pregnancy, is between that woman and God.

If there are those who do not believe in God, why should your personal beliefs, be the deciding factor over what she should and should not do with her own pregnancy?

This is what is happening in the U.S., where one’s personal beliefs, are forced upon women, because they believe that abortion is “wrong”. The sad thing is that they refuse to look at the entire picture.

Just look at what happened, before abortions were legal. You think God wanted all these women to die?

@LookingForIt987 Because he's a LOVING god who chooses to force 11 year old girls who were RAPED to carry to term. 'Ya see....god work in mysterious ways. So you just have to accept it, toss out some "thoughts and prayers" and you're good to continue down a hypocritical, spiteful and discriminatory path. Because America. And because jesus.

@Ynotisay That is, very sadly, one answer that's likely here. Those same people will then rant and rave about Sharia law in mostly Muslim countries, unironically.

I don't know if that's @roberta's position or not though. He can speak for himself. But as an example, I have friends who are devout Christians who are pro-life personally, but pro-choice politically. Because they recognize that their personal beliefs are just that - personal.

So, I generally refuse to lump all Christians - or members of any religion - together. If his view is the former? Yep, pillory it all damn day as far as I'm concerned as that view is A] inconsistent with the supposed teachings of Jesus Christ in the new testament; and B] hypocritical.

@LookingForIt987 A fetus is a start of life. when it has started to BE. same as we became to BE! Who are WE to judge or even know? The basis of our understanding is childlike, We did not create life but are too damn good at destroying it!

Did you know that there was a poll where the majority of this country, including Republicans, are against the heartbeat bill? But the lawmakers just ignored it anyway. I would think that is telling you something when you have almost the entire country saying “no”.

I personally believe in God, and I’m pro choice. I feel it deep inside my own heart and my own experience, is where I am supposed to be. But that’s me.

@LookingForIt987 @Ynotisay

Abortion is not destroying life. It is saving lives. If abortions become illegal, it will not end, it will only kill women.

@roberta

my wife has had to make this choice in the past, so i have some understanding but a law of pro choice is dangerous because it opens the door to irresponsible and immature people to chose murder over taking responsibility and seeing beyond themselves.

@roberta But you know that doesn't happen, right? Teen and 'unwanted' pregnancies are down. They've been falling for years. So are you, or are you not, on board with people taking 'responsibility' as you see it. If you are then you'd be Pro-Choice. Clearly.

@roberta Here's some facts that maybe help.

The 'glob of cells' isn't considered a "fetus" until the 10th week of pregnancy. Up to that time, it's either a zygote, blastocyst, or embryo depending on the stage.

At that point of development, the fetus doesn't have lungs. If it's removed from the body, it's non-viable. And, in fact, it'll remain non-viable until about the 24th week of pregnancy. (And even then, viability is a longshot, and only exists because of current medical practices.)

When my grandfather was brain dead and needed a machine to live, nobody - NOBODY! - batted an eye when my grandmother made the heart wrenching decision to remove him from life support. Nobody stood outside the hospital and picketed. Nobody called the doctor - or my grandmother - a murderer. (Thankfully, because I woulda gone to jail if that shit happened...) But when you boil things down, my grandmother's decision is no different than terminating a pregnancy that's before the 24th week - in both cases, neither "life" is viable outside of its current situation (on the life support machine for my grandfather, or in the uterus for the embryo).

You and your family make the decisions that feel right for you. If you personally choose to use your definition of god as part of the definition, that's your right. But you have no right to use your religion to force your choice onto another person. The decision belongs to the individual - hopefully with the advisement of her doctors about all the options and all the risks associated with those options.

There are women who will die if their pregnancy goes to term.

There are women with pregnancies where the baby will not survive child birth. (My mother had to deal with this. It was heartbreaking then, and I still sometimes get melancholy when thinking about the sister I almost had.)

There are some women - including the 11 year old mentioned elsewhere in this thread - who are pregnant because they were raped. (And contrary to what some Republican leaders have said, no - women do not have the ability to "just shut that thing down" when they're raped.)

And, yes, there are some women who use abortion as "birth control." For whatever reason.

It's OK if you don't like any of those situations. But you don't get a say in any of them.

@NaturalBeautyQueen
I do not, ever, begrudge you - or @roberta - your beliefs. At all. If believing in a god, whatever version, helps you make sense of the world, I'm quite OK with that. Up until you use your belief as a cudgel to impose those beliefs on somebody else. Then I have a big problem.

I know Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists, and probably more who are kind, caring, loving, compassionate, empathetic, and warm people. I know Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists, and probably more who are raging assholes. Religion, in my opinion at least, has little to nothing to do with why somebody is in Column A or Column B.

Keyword: Your wife, as in female. As in her body, her choice.

I do not care what the reason is, I do not care what she believes, her body, her choice, period.

Having an abortion is being responsible. I had one and it was the best decision I ever made. I live with no regrets. @roberta

@NaturalBeautyQueen I'm sorry you were in the position to need to make that decision; I'm glad you were able to make it, though.

@LookingForIt987 I do not push my beliefs on others just say my opinion and speak what I believe to be true, same as what you are doing now.If you are getting upset, I truly apologize, but it may be your conscience or heart speaking to you to see the truth and just knowledge

I get it. That is why my beliefs come from a personal level. If somebody wants to know about my beliefs, I might or might not explain what they are. I refuse to stuff my beliefs down people’s throats, because let’s be real, it is nothing more than just trying to control other’s lives, and nothing about God’s love. If you know some kind, caring, loving Christians, then they are real Christians. Those like the ones, that cheated to get elected, lie and only pick and choose what is right and wrong, on other’s lives, are not Christians. There’s a major difference between the two. @LookingForIt987

@roberta Or, it may be that others have cited your god so often when they do try to prevent others from making the best choice for them that I've been conditioned, much like Pavlov's dogs. If B follows A often enough, our brains make the assumption that the connection is true.

So in other words, you are right and we are wrong? That is what I got from your comment?

@roberta

no, i do not know if i am right or wrong, but like all of us i am trying to learn. What is the point of the POST COMMENT on here if I cannot post one, be honest in my beliefs,and not have people get offended when I do, or other people do when because we do not share the same opinion or belief?

One of the problems on a site such as this is that it's a text-based medium. So we lose tone of voice and body language when communicating - two very important factors in how we communicate. I can't speak for others, but I didn't take offense at anything you said. So, I guess, let me ask you this question.

Should our laws be based on Christian beliefs? And if so, even when that conflicts with medical science?