I Am Pro Choice

@Primnproper if the man wants to have a baby, then he needs to be with someone who wants one as well. What angers me about this is that the man never gets blamed for this. It’s always the woman. Like you said “it takes two”. Although that is true, the fact still remains that it is the woman’s body, her choice, once she is pregnant. If the man strongly feels that he can not handle that truth, then it is his responsibility to have the talk with the woman he is dating, about sex and what to do if she ends up pregnant. Because once she is pregnant, it is out of his hands.

@NaturalBeautyQueen that goes both ways as the woman's responsibility as well..I can tell by your reply that you don't consider that the men have rights. A child has 2 parents the minute it's conceived its not just the mothers till it's born.. A court of law does not deny the rights of the father and nor should the mother who is potentially an incubator and protector until it's born.

@Primnproper I never said it’s not the woman’s responsibility. You mentioned men. So I commented based on what you said. I never said that men don’t have rights. But the fact is that as long as she is pregnant, the man does not have any rights.

Can a man determine whether or not a woman is about to go into labor? Can a man make the decision of whether to go natural or epidural? Is the man signing any paper work while the woman is pregnant? Is it his body that is pregnant? Can a man tell if the woman is hungry, and if so, know what her cravings are without telling him? Can a man make the choice of an emergency c-section?

@NaturalBeautyQueen only the cold and hardest woman would take the attitude that the guy doesn't have a say until it's born..women are happy to go after the men for child support, the minute that baby is conceived it has two parents because it wouldn't even be there without both parties. If it's nothing to do with the guy why do women go after the guys to pay for the abortion or towards it in the first place.

Child support is not for the woman. It is for the child. Which goes back to what I was saying in the beginning, about as long as the woman is pregnant, she has rights. The man does not. Those are facts.

@NaturalBeautyQueen so why then do women go after the men to pay or contribute to the cost of their abortions? I see you didnt address that one.

@Primnproper you’ll have to ask them. I can only speak from my own experience, which is I never did. Plus I don’t know any woman that ever gone after someone to pay for their abortion.

@NaturalBeautyQueen oh geez there's plenty of them and I'm guessing it's because they feel they are responsible for that baby they are carrying as much as themselves so your theory is really from your position not all those other women that do go to the guys when they want an abortion...there's 2 sides to every point.

@Primnproper No, I know several women that have never gone to the men asking for money for an abortion. Unless the man is trying to force the decision on her.

I also know women that won’t even tell those punks that they are pregnant, because of rape and abuse. Like myself. From experience, and the women I’ve known from my group, don’t want anything to do with these so called “men” who raped and abused them, they have an abortion without telling them.

In most instances, insurance covers the abortions. But even with that, abortion may cost $100 co pay, like mine was.

I’m not just talking about my own experiences, but of other women as well.

@NaturalBeautyQueen so if it's a women's choice and hers only why go after the guys for child support if they didn't want the child but the woman decided to have it..we can't pick and choose when it's just our choice and when it's right to go after the guys..sounds like women want the best of both worlds..making a baby is the responsibility of both sexes, aborting that baby should also be the responsibility of both sexes..

@NaturalBeautyQueen referring to those that are raped and abused that is one group that doesn't make up the percentages of all abortions so you have to look at it from all sides not your biased one.

@Primnproper Please refer to my previous comments. I already answered your questions. I’m not talking about what I believe. I am basing everything on facts.

Doctors are not going to ask the man questions. They are going to go to the woman pregnant. Because of everything I have just said to you, the man does not have the final say on any decisions, where a woman’s pregnancy goes.

Whatever that looks like to you, does not eliminate the facts. The man does not have any rights because that is what it is. He can not have the capabilities to make any medical determinations and/or decisions, that is right for the woman’s body. From a medical standpoint, even if the woman wants for the man to make any medical decisions, she has to sign those rights to him. It goes against patients rights for a doctor to listen to a man, or anybody, telling them what to do with the woman’s body, because he is not the patient. She is.

@NaturalBeautyQueen then the law is still biased towards women and women are shouting for equality well that's a two way street in my opinion, so if the guy wants an abortion and the woman decided to keep it because it's her rights then it should be his right to relinquish those rights so he doesn't have to pay for it in support.

@Primnproper Or we can go back in time when men weren’t allowed in the room, at the time of delivery.

Seeing that this is way off topic, I’m ending it there.

@NaturalBeautyQueen you are a very biased lady and have clearly been jaded against men in your experiences..some of us try not let all men pay for other men's mistakes or mistreatment of women. Now I'm finished.

@Primnproper That’s not bias against men, unless you’re going to blame Mother Nature. Women risk their lives giving birth [b]That is FACT[/b]. Men do not shed a single drop of blood bringing their children into the world. So it can’t be an equal proposition when there is [b]no[/b] chance of him dying while becoming a father.

@bijouxbroussard that being said the woman knows this before she joins him in the act to make it so..to me that is a very poor argument to the points being raised here..when it comes to the rights of a child both parents in a court of law share them. As it takes two parents to make them it should take the consideration of both parents to abort them..

@Primnproper Are you saying you think men should have control over women’s bodies ? Because that’s what it would amount to.

@bijouxbroussard I think men have a say in the future of a child they helped create..let's not forget we couldn't have children without the input of men till science came along.

@Primnproper Most women in relationships do take their partners’ feelings into account. And when they don’t, they generally have a good reason: the child’s not his, or he’s abusive and they know he’ll use the pregnancy to control her. And it’s not for outsiders to second guess that, since they won’t be there to protect her if that’s the situation. Short of forcing women to be human incubators against their wills, the final say has to be hers.

@bijouxbroussard you're preaching to someone who founded a women's refuge in her home town I'm well aware of the circumstances surrounding abuses, but putting forward the argument it's a women's body therefore seeming to shut down any input from the man is not acceptable especially when women are shouting for equality..

@Primnproper I didn’t found it, but I volunteered in a women’s shelter, [b]too[/b], for several years. Again, you’d have to take that up with Mother Nature. Equality can mean being able to walk away if you’re not ready to have a child—the way many [b]men[/b] have done since time immemorial. Arguably, reproductive rights for women have brought a certain amount of equality in that regard.

@bijouxbroussard I'm not saying that all the men act honourable because no they don't but I don't believe the decent, honest ones should be shut out of the equation paying the price for the dishonourable ones..believe me I have more reason than most to have an intense dislike for the male race but I do not judge all by the actions of a few mean ones.

@Primnproper Nor do I, and I’ve had more positive than negative experiences with men overall. I had a child with someone I loved very much and who was there for me every step of the way. But I’m not going to second-guess other women because I’m not in their shoes.

@bijouxbroussard unfortunately my experiences until now havent been positive but it has taught me well. I like to see fair and equal treatment across the board.