So if gun control isn’t the solution what is?

@Elessar Do you honestly believe that even a large army would be able to take guns away from the drug gangs?

@Elessar yeah the more i learn about the situation the more worthless the cops seem. Apparently the school that got shot up actually had a built in police department staffed with 5 cops and a security guard. The city of Uvalde itself spends 40% of the entire cities budget on the cops and they gave them a 500K grant from the state.

I think at the very least pro-police conservatives will have to acknowledge a point of diminishing returns here

@Heartlander this was one guy

@Heartlander It's not a matter of beliefs, when there's plenty of factual experience from every civilized country that has gone through the process of regulation that your country, held hostage by a political minority, refuses to go through.

@Elessar

Australia is not the US. As your song goes "We (you) are many; we are one."

In the US we may be many, but we are not all one. Look at our experience at abolishing alcohol. It was the law of the land with a constitutional amendment, yet what prohibition accomplished was to empower a permanent undercurrent of thugs. Our war on drugs went the same way.

There's a saying about bad neighbors in the US: "So bad that even the police don't go there."

Notice how anxious the police in Portland were to break up that Antifa village in the middle of Portland.

@Heartlander Guns aren't alcohol, for heavens sake!

@Carazaa Oh ... I was referring to the attempt at confiscation during prohibition. It brought with it the gangster era that in some areas found a way to merge with big city politics. It was a violent era.

Firearms confiscation would likely follow a similar path.

@Heartlander No it wouldn't.

@Carazaa

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@Heartlander Yet drug users are still prosecuted, and soon also abortionists. Had this guy somehow managed to kill 20+ fetuses sparing the mother's rest assured 2A would've been overturned with the full support of the GOP yesterday lol

Anyway, when you restrict gun access it'll require a lot more effort (and money) getting one, the experience of the rest of the world (and not just Australia) confirms it. You can argue as much as you want, but it is what it is. It's the republican and NRA hands that are soaked in blood right now, not mine.