I Am For Gun Control

@Jackaloftheazuresand Then why do white men commit most shootings? They are the most privileged and entitlement demographic. We shouldn’t be sympathizing with school shooters. There’s a huge difference between healthcare & free tuition and the privilege/entitlement in society white men have.

@basicallyugly I just told you, it's this demonizing, you're doing it right now. They just want to be treated like their peers.

@Jackaloftheazuresand Calling out someone’s privilege and entitlement is not demonizing.

@basicallyugly You know what pisses me off as a straight white male who has aspergers and is mentally disabled? People are eager to attribute mass shootings to mental illness. There are studies that indicate the mentally ill are more likely to be shot and the victims of gun violence than the perperators but those go wholly ignored. The Columbine kids who shot up columbine were not bullying victims either. They were Sadist and suffering from Superiority complexes. Sociopathic Sadist. It really pisses me off that people think the school shooters were bullied because I was bullied as a kid and I never brought a Gun to school or Shot a bunch of people. Bullying Victims don't. They're not violent.


I know I'm Privileged as a heterosexual white male but I also experience ableism and oppression that way.

So I fall into a Weird Category where I'm simultaneously privileged and oppressed at the same time. Joy.

people seriously need to stop propagating the myth that these kids were misfits and outcast.

@basicallyugly It is when it's false

@basicallyugly Way more blacks killing other blacks in one year in any big city than there have been kids killed in schools.

@Jackaloftheazuresand How is it false? Are you really trying to tell me that white men aren’t privileged?

@TheProphet Cite your sources lol

@basicallyugly I earned everything I have through hard work building a successful construction company.

@basicallyugly https://news.ncsu.edu/2014/02/wms-desmarais-violence2014/

@basicallyugly Yes

@basicallyugly https://www.appi.org/Gun_Violence_and_Mental_Illness

@basicallyugly Well lets see. Chicago had more than 500 killings last year. School shootings don't even come close, and that's just one city.

In their 2016 edited book Gun Violence and Mental Illness, psychiatrists Liza Gold and Robert Simon summarize the evidence debunking the myth that mental illness is a leading cause of gun violence. As they report, less than 5% of shootings are committed by people with a diagnosable mental illness. Like mentally healthy offenders, the mentally ill are far more likely to shoot people they know rather than strangers. The mentally ill are also far more likely to be victims of gun violence rather than perpetrators. These data suggest that the link between mental illness and mass shooting exists in our minds, not in reality.

@BetweenKittensandRiots You just called them sociopaths and now you're saying they aren't mentally ill, a personality disorder doesn't just come out of nowhere.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/assessment/2004/04/the_depressive_and_the_psychopath.html

@TheProphet ok but I asked for the actual source

@basicallyugly Newspapers every day report the murder rate in the cities. You can look it up if you don't believe me.

@Jackaloftheazuresand White heterosexual men don't deal with racism or misohomosexuality. Hatred of gays.

We're the dominant majority. Sure some people are racist against us or biased but it's not systematic and society wide. it's not institutional. Some people are racist against whites but we don't experience institutional discrimination the way gays and lesbians and black people do.

We are privileged. You should own it instead of running away from it.

I had a discussion with a feminist friend about that term and how as a misfit and bullying victim who underwent quiet a lot of rejection in my childhood and attacks on me it feels kind of like a slap to the face to be called privilege and she replied that her white privilege didn't protect her from being raped so shegetsit.

It's not meant as an pejorative. it's supposed to be descriptive, not an insult.

@TheProphet I’m asking for your specific source though.

@basicallyugly How are we privileged? And even if we are so what. We can hardly change that.

@TheProphet White people are privileged in the sense that they have never suffered from systematic oppression.

@basicallyugly Somehow I doubt he's going to cite a source.

@BetweenKittensandRiots If people were being kept down then how come others get out of it? I can't believe privilege exists if you can escape or fall out of it.

@BetweenKittensandRiots

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In their 2016 edited book Gun Violence and Mental Illness, psychiatrists Liza Gold and Robert Simon summarize the evidence debunking the myth that mental illness is a leading cause of gun violence. As they report, less than 5% of shootings are committed by people with a diagnosable mental illness. Like mentally healthy offenders, the mentally ill are far more likely to shoot people they know rather than strangers. The mentally ill are also far more likely to be victims of gun violence rather than perpetrators. These data suggest that the link between mental illness and mass shooting exists in our minds, not in reality.[/quote]

The statistics are about gun violence [b]not school shootings.[/b] They are misleading. They don't take account of cases that weren't diagnosed until the consequences took place. It's an attempt to move focus from flaws in healthcare. More and more people are being heavily medicated without a proper diagnosis in the US and Canada. You have to settle for that to have access to better treatment ways after waiting for months. So either medications that have aggression as a side effect, or neglecting your state.

[quote]White people are privileged in the sense that they have never suffered from systematic oppression.[/quote]

I think my main concern with [b]white privilege[/b] is that it's popularly being used as a club, not as a light. Much like how the Religious justifies their positions with "love the sinner, hate the sin" when clearly that's not what they are doing, in many quarters, the use of the privilege / intersectionality argument is actually being used to blame white people -and- encourage a "victim mentality" in non-white people above and beyond the actual inequalities they already experience. How does one know that those men benefited of any sort of privileges? Is it quantifiable? It's not like mental illnesses where you can go through each case and study it. And I am not so sure that every white person, including the poor and the powerless, have access to things I don't.