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BizSuitStacy · M
Sure...let's start with the discussion of actually enforcing the laws already in place. There are roughly 20,000 gun laws already on the books at the federal, state and local level. Those with felonies, certain misdemeanors, domestic abusers, etc. are prohibited from buying or owning a firearm. We know the Air Force failed to update the FBI in this case, otherwise the background check process would have prevented the sale.
It's a felony to lie when filling out Firearm Transaction Record form 4473 when purchasing a gun. In 2010 alone, 48,000 felons lied about their criminal record on that form, yet only 44 were prosecuted. Joe Biden said there weren't enough human resources to do the work. Complete BS of course. There simply is no desire to keep perpetual criminals locked up.
In Washington state where I live, they are proposing legislation to go after domestic abusers and those who have restraining orders to confiscate their firearms. It's reported that less than half of them surrendered their guns when ordered by the courts.
And then there is the Grassley-Cruz legislation proposed back in 2013 to aggressively target felons and violent criminals from getting guns...but was filibustered by democrats.
Bottom line...the purpose of gun control laws should be to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, but they don't work, now do they?
In fact, gun control laws have the opposite effect. The state's with the toughest gun laws often times also have very high crime rates. There is no correlation between the gun laws and gun crime. There is a very strong correlation between gun laws and gun ownership. The states with the toughest gun laws have the lowest legal gun ownership.
This is the exact opposite effect that gun laws should have...unless the real objective is to disarm law abiding citizens while criminals keep their guns.
It's a felony to lie when filling out Firearm Transaction Record form 4473 when purchasing a gun. In 2010 alone, 48,000 felons lied about their criminal record on that form, yet only 44 were prosecuted. Joe Biden said there weren't enough human resources to do the work. Complete BS of course. There simply is no desire to keep perpetual criminals locked up.
In Washington state where I live, they are proposing legislation to go after domestic abusers and those who have restraining orders to confiscate their firearms. It's reported that less than half of them surrendered their guns when ordered by the courts.
And then there is the Grassley-Cruz legislation proposed back in 2013 to aggressively target felons and violent criminals from getting guns...but was filibustered by democrats.
Bottom line...the purpose of gun control laws should be to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, but they don't work, now do they?
In fact, gun control laws have the opposite effect. The state's with the toughest gun laws often times also have very high crime rates. There is no correlation between the gun laws and gun crime. There is a very strong correlation between gun laws and gun ownership. The states with the toughest gun laws have the lowest legal gun ownership.
This is the exact opposite effect that gun laws should have...unless the real objective is to disarm law abiding citizens while criminals keep their guns.
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@BizSuitStacy Any discussion should be welcomed. Anytime. Anyplace.
It seems hopeless but keeping quiet because gun laws don’t keep guns away from criminals is not the answer. I wish I had a clue. I just don’t like seeing innocent people being slayed.
It seems hopeless but keeping quiet because gun laws don’t keep guns away from criminals is not the answer. I wish I had a clue. I just don’t like seeing innocent people being slayed.
BizSuitStacy · M
@SimplyTracie I don't want to see innocent people injured or killed. And I'm not suggesting that keeping quiet is the answer either. But I also know gun control laws aren't effective at stopping violence.
Part of the problem is we aren't thinking outside the box. The argument always seems to boil down to drawing a line in the sand...one side for gun control, the other side against it.
I believe we need to address the social issue of all violence...whether the tool of choice is a knife, a club, someone's hands, a gun or whatever. Violence is highly concentrated within America's inner cities, where gangs and drugs are prevalent.
The mass shootings seem to follow an ugly pattern. People with mental health issues or issues with violence that fall through the cracks. A number of these killers had a history that people ignored.
Part of the problem is we aren't thinking outside the box. The argument always seems to boil down to drawing a line in the sand...one side for gun control, the other side against it.
I believe we need to address the social issue of all violence...whether the tool of choice is a knife, a club, someone's hands, a gun or whatever. Violence is highly concentrated within America's inner cities, where gangs and drugs are prevalent.
The mass shootings seem to follow an ugly pattern. People with mental health issues or issues with violence that fall through the cracks. A number of these killers had a history that people ignored.