Meanwhile, Regarding Need for Voter ID

@BrandNewMan That is an assumptions made by someone who obviously has never been poor. If you can't afford a car and use public transit maintaining a current driver's license is equivalent to setting money on fire.

It is idiotic because your age and citizenship is not dependent on whether you have paid to the DMV.

Again, spoken like someone who has never been poor.

But for 20 years the GOP has been trying to pass these laws that require ID they know will exclude poor and young voters who don't vote Republican.

These bills are also presented as a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

So the only reason to have them is to throw valid voters off the rolls with a new poll tax.

@BrandNewMan And read my oriignal comment. Every GOP ID bill has banned the use of alternative IDs for the last 20 years.

Unless it is free it is a poll tax.


And thank you for proving my point that you support disenfranchising the poor and know what you are doing.

Bet you want to go back to voting being exclusively for white land owners.

@BrandNewMan you're wrong. In canada you can vote without any ID at all.

https://www.elections.ca/content2.aspx?section=id&document=index&lang=e

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I just watched on-street interviews in a minority neighborhood in NYC. EVERY person said they had ID, EVERY person said every adult they knew had ID, and EVERY person said they knew where to get one if they didn't have it, and EVERY person said they had the means to get there! The excuses put up by liberals are a bunch of BS!

@DealingWithTrouble Its actually not really as simple as you state here, now is it?


This was my source
https://www.elections.ab.ca/voters/id-required-to-vote/

The two main options involve ID .. 1 pc if photo and address, 2pcs with various options as the 2 mai
main options. The 3rd option you reference still requires the voter provide their name/address and another voter with their ID proven by option 1 or 2 vouches for you in writing. That person can only vouch for one voter.
That is still meaningfully more than required here and some people here want to keep it at nothing required.

Do you agree Canada requires more than the US even at your minimum and think those Canadian requirements are reasonable? If so .. you are proving my point.

@BrandNewMan the US requires uncertain cases to cast "provisional ballots", and they still verify identity through similar means.

Canada lets people without ID cast normal ballots that aren't provisional. If you think Canada's system is better, feel free to advocate for that non-ID option as a means of voting. Either way you're mistaken to claim Canada always requires ID, voting without ID is entirely legal.

Its about equally secure either way, especially since voter fraud is basically non-existent. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/exhaustive-fact-check-finds-little-evidence-of-voter-fraud-but-2020s-big-lie-lives-on

@DealingWithTrouble I said Canada requires ID .. and you do. Your main options involve documentation .. I missed the 3rd option .. but even that is a form of ID verification .. isnt it?

How many people vote by the option 3 vouched by a different person option? Is it even 5% of the country? I'm betting not. Even that is more rigorous than nothing .. Isnt it? Yes. It. Is.

@fanuc2013 EXACTLY!!

@fanuc2013 Lol. Random on the street interviews are probably the easiest way on earth to manipulate an audience. Just keep going around until you find enough people who agree with your narrative and edit out every single person who doesn't fit your narrative.


But we get it. You want to make sure as few people can vote as possible. After all there is a 20 year trend that the lower the voter turn out the better Republicans do.

And all done using the excuse of a voter fraud issue that doesn't exist.

@BrandNewMan canada does not require ID. You can show up without ID and vote without it. You were just mistaken.

If you think Canada's system is better, feel free to tell all the states currently demanding ID that they're wrong and to adopt Canada's system.

@DealingWithTrouble Yep. Show up with your voter registration card and it is better if you have someone to vouch for you.

@DealingWithTrouble You cant though. Your own voter requirements guidance says a voter with proven ID by documented ID has to vouch for you in writing. If no one can vouch for you can you vote? No? Then a form of ID verification IS required and at least half the population has to prove theirs by ID if each voter can only vouch for one other voter. Right? Far more than is required here.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow A Voter registration card is a form of ID!

@BrandNewMan You are right. But the GOP wants very specific photo ID they know many voters that happen to vote Democrat don't have. Don't insult everyone by pretending that is a coincidence since lower voter turnout benefits your camp.

And you still ignore the fact that voter fraud basically doesn't exist. And it is just a cover for vote suppression.

And if an ID costs even 1 penny that is a poll tax.

@BrandNewMan you were just wrong. Official government ID is not mandatory for a person to vote in Canada.

And since you agree Canada's system is secure, that completely debunks the excuses for "voter ID requirements" that are actually being put into place in the US.

@DealingWithTrouble Wait till they hear we allow convicts to vote. Their brains will melt.