Leftists, you hate "capitalism" and excess. Why do you need the latest iphone? Why not just get whatever works and redistribute the saved money?
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
Another childish "argument" from you. Not buying an iPhone and handing out a couple hundred bucks is not going to change anything.
Also not everyone does buy expensive phones. Furthermore it is entirely a right wing invention that to be a socialist you have to take a vow of poverty.
There is no valid reason for billionaires ore trillionaires to exist and there is literally no ethical way to attain that kind of money.
Curious how hording is magically no longer a mental disorder when it involves money.
And capitalism demonstrably just creates inequality even worse that feudalism. The very thing capitalism was supposed to end.
Also not everyone does buy expensive phones. Furthermore it is entirely a right wing invention that to be a socialist you have to take a vow of poverty.
There is no valid reason for billionaires ore trillionaires to exist and there is literally no ethical way to attain that kind of money.
Curious how hording is magically no longer a mental disorder when it involves money.
And capitalism demonstrably just creates inequality even worse that feudalism. The very thing capitalism was supposed to end.
Therealsteve · 31-35, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow "handing out a couple hundred bucks is not going to change anything." A couple of hundred books is enough to fund a level 4 course. A level 4 education puts you in the $40,000 wage range.
"There is no valid reason for billionaires ore trillionaires to exist and there is literally no ethical way to attain that kind of money."
So how much money, which is a receipt of labour value produced, is ethical to you. And what unethical thing happened when someone goes a cent above that?
"And capitalism demonstrably just creates inequality even worse that feudalism.". And I'm glad it does. Humans are all incredibly different, we have different abilities, interests, levels of ambition, willingness to sacrifice and so on. And there are also 8bn of us. If we all had the same outcome then something very wrong would be going on.
"Furthermore it is entirely a right wing invention that to be a socialist you have to take a vow of poverty". Please elaborate.
"There is no valid reason for billionaires ore trillionaires to exist and there is literally no ethical way to attain that kind of money."
So how much money, which is a receipt of labour value produced, is ethical to you. And what unethical thing happened when someone goes a cent above that?
"And capitalism demonstrably just creates inequality even worse that feudalism.". And I'm glad it does. Humans are all incredibly different, we have different abilities, interests, levels of ambition, willingness to sacrifice and so on. And there are also 8bn of us. If we all had the same outcome then something very wrong would be going on.
"Furthermore it is entirely a right wing invention that to be a socialist you have to take a vow of poverty". Please elaborate.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Therealsteve A yes, the tired argument that a couple examples of charity helping people magically extrapolates to solving poverty even though we have literally hundreds of years of evidence that it doesn't work.
Billionaires and trillionaires and even most millionaires are in no way connected to labour value anymore than a monarch is.
Fun fact. Nearly all the wealthiest Americans can trace their their wealth back to the Robber Barons of the 1800s by birth or marriage literally like the old monarchs and aristocrats.
The only exception is dumb luck of a few tech billionaires. Those are statistically the only two relevant factors in extreme wealth is existing wealth or dumb luck.
And it is delusional to believe that there is anything that makes them more special. You are essentially arguing a new divine right of kings.
And literally nobody is arguing for equality of outcomes. That is exclusively the strawman of right wing anti socialists.
Your entire original premise is based on this idea that you cannot redistribute wealth without living as a pauper yourself first. Another exclusively right wing premise.
Billionaires and trillionaires and even most millionaires are in no way connected to labour value anymore than a monarch is.
Fun fact. Nearly all the wealthiest Americans can trace their their wealth back to the Robber Barons of the 1800s by birth or marriage literally like the old monarchs and aristocrats.
The only exception is dumb luck of a few tech billionaires. Those are statistically the only two relevant factors in extreme wealth is existing wealth or dumb luck.
And it is delusional to believe that there is anything that makes them more special. You are essentially arguing a new divine right of kings.
And literally nobody is arguing for equality of outcomes. That is exclusively the strawman of right wing anti socialists.
Your entire original premise is based on this idea that you cannot redistribute wealth without living as a pauper yourself first. Another exclusively right wing premise.
Therealsteve · 31-35, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I've noticed a little theme, with you. "And it is delusional" anything that goes against anything you want to believe is a "delusion".
"And literally nobody is arguing for equality of outcomes". You just complained about "inequality". Also, "literally" is not an argument, is there some other way they aren't doing that? Figuratively? Metaphorically?
"Fun fact. Nearly all the wealthiest Americans" fun fact, there is a world outside of America.
"Billionaires and trillionaires and even most millionaires are in no way connected to labour value anymore than a monarch is." Tell me about labour value.
"dumb luck." An umbrella term you can apply to anyone becoming wealthy, in any form, outside of your claim about tech giants. Nice.
Tell you what, if you know so much about labour value, create a prosperous charity. I can link to mine. Until then, good luck.
"And literally nobody is arguing for equality of outcomes". You just complained about "inequality". Also, "literally" is not an argument, is there some other way they aren't doing that? Figuratively? Metaphorically?
"Fun fact. Nearly all the wealthiest Americans" fun fact, there is a world outside of America.
"Billionaires and trillionaires and even most millionaires are in no way connected to labour value anymore than a monarch is." Tell me about labour value.
"dumb luck." An umbrella term you can apply to anyone becoming wealthy, in any form, outside of your claim about tech giants. Nice.
Tell you what, if you know so much about labour value, create a prosperous charity. I can link to mine. Until then, good luck.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Therealsteve I see you completely dodged being called out on your strawman.
And delusional is the only rational description of a person justifying a system that is oppressing them.
And I see as usual you just completely ignore all facts that don't match your feelings. Typical right winger.
And I have no obligation to teach economics 101 to an ideology who doesn't care about facts.
And delusional is the only rational description of a person justifying a system that is oppressing them.
And I see as usual you just completely ignore all facts that don't match your feelings. Typical right winger.
And I have no obligation to teach economics 101 to an ideology who doesn't care about facts.
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Therealsteve That or you are one of the intellectually stunted teenage boys who still thinks "Atlas Shrugged" is some kind of literary and economic masterwork.😂
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