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A world beyond Capitalism

Every day, capitalism proves that it is absolutely indifferent to human flourishing, or life, and therefore it really shouldn’t be a surprise that so many of the grotesque and monstrous phenomena of our society — inequality, racism, misogyny, imperialism, ecological catastrophe, mass extinction, mass unnecessary death — are inextricable from capitalism.

The demand for a system that prioritizes human need over profit is a demand for the end of capitalism. We can debate what that might look like, but if we take seriously the idea that the only way to get to a world fit to live in is to get beyond capitalism, we have to move beyond the “common sense” — which is to say, the deadening propaganda — that it is “obviously” impossible to have anything other than capitalism.

Marx and Engels Communist Manifesto’s unremitting insistence on the dynamics of class history that got us here, and its ruthless denaturalizing and questioning of supposedly eternal truths, all in the service of liberation, is profoundly important.
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graphite · 61-69, M
Beyond capitalism and into socialism - so the guy who studies for a dozen years to be a brain surgeon makes the same amount of money as the burger flipper or guy who plain doesn't feel like working? Good luck with that. We'll have lots of guys who don't feel like working, a few burger flippers and no brain surgeons.
Gloomy · F
@graphite Thanks for your strawman and for proving you have no idea what you are even talking about.
graphite · 61-69, M
@Gloomy @Gloomy Socialism has been a massive failure for the past 100+ years. Unless you're the people in charge, then you do just fine. While the people of Venezuela suffer, the late socialist dictator's daughter is a billionaire.
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basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@graphite actually, under socialism, workers get their share of the wealth a company generates rather than a wage.
graphite · 61-69, M
@basilfawlty89 Yet, it seems like the folks in the socialist countries all can't wait to get to the capitalist countries. Hockey players from the Soviet Union dreamed of playing in North America, not the other way around. Why was that if socialism is so much better?

https://blog.hockeyplayersclub.com/today-in-hockey-history-alexander-mogilny-is-the-1st-player-to-defect-from-the-soviet-union-to-play-in-the-nhl/
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@graphite the Soviet Union was more akin to the state taking the role of capitalist. Workers did not own the means of production.

If the US Is so great, why do you lot go to Canada or Cuba for decent healthcare?
Gloomy · F
@graphite There was a propaganda war going on, maybe the player just got greedy, maybe other reasons.... your source doesn't go into it so it's just speculation.
graphite · 61-69, M
@basilfawlty89 I don't go to Canada or Cuba for "decent" healthcare. Here's your fabulous Canadian health care: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/05/15/grief-for-sharon-shamblaw-for-whom-ontarios-health-care-system-moved-too-slowly.html

Also, when Mick Jagger needed heart surgery, did he opt for the UK's national health care system? Nope - he hopped a plane to America to get the best health care in the world.

I used to know some Cuban refugees who risked their lives to get out during the 1979 flotilla. Didn't know how good they had it, right? One of the stories of one of these men was downright heartbreaking - Cuban horror story. Did you know any Cuban refugees?
graphite · 61-69, M
@Gloomy How dare players seek to maximize the use of their talents to best provide for their families by wanting to play in North America and prosper. They should've been satisfied living in squalor in the "socialist paradise." Shared misery. 🤣
Gloomy · F
@graphite You just described a major flaw and inequality. People being able to and having to pay large amounts for better treatment, an important surgery.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@graphite man, do you think you're just a temporarily embarrassed billionaire? The average American in your brilliant "capitalist paradise" healthcare system can't afford health care.

But here you're cheering for people getting good healthcare as long as they're ultra rich. Something you'll never be.
graphite · 61-69, M
@basilfawlty89 Yes, only the ultra-rich have health care and the rest of us in the US are dying in the streets.🤣 I better go outside to check for any dead bodies in my driveway. I think the city has a body disposal service, even 🤣 The vast majority of Americans have health insurance. Why don't you take a 1-way trip to a socialist paradise like Cuba or Venezuela or Cuba? Don't talk the talk, walk the walk!
America, despite being the supposed unjust capitalist racist nightmare, ranks where as far as worldwide immigration destinations? Oh, that's right, #1. Only lunatics like Lee Harvey Oswald defected to the Soviet Union, and even he came right back.
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/top-25-destinations-international-migrants
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@graphite okay, I'll move to Cuba. You gonna pay for my ticket then? You say walk the walk, well put your money where your mouth is. I accept PayPal and Payoneer.
graphite · 61-69, M
@basilfawlty89 Oh, I get it - you're not serious about moving to the socialist paradise. Why don't you start a GoFundMe account? 🤣
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@graphite but I thought you just boasted about your wealth? So now you're afraid to pay to send my commie ass to the socialist paradise?

Also, pics of capitalist paradise US

graphite · 61-69, M
@basilfawlty89 Where is that? Some Democrat-run dump like Detroit? Yes, two shoddy houses prove the entire capitalist system in the US is a failure. That settles it. 🤣. America: Where the "poor" have cars, cell phones, are eligible for all sorts of benefits, and are more likely to be overweight than starving.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@graphite oh you want a conservative area? Deal!


I bet they have great access to medical care!
graphite · 61-69, M
@basilfawlty89 They probably do. Hey, when you've lost an argument, which you clearly have, just give up, already. 🤣
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@graphite I didn't lose shit. You said I wouldn't go to Cuba. I just told you I would. I don't have the fund's to move to Cuba as South Africa is quite far from Cuba. I know conservative Americans are geographically challenged.

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graphite · 61-69, M
@Emosaur Seeya!!! Be sure to wear your t shirt of popular executioner Che Gevara.
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graphite · 61-69, M
@Emosaur Yes, the Cuban nightmare is the US's fault. 🤣 Do any of these fascist police states ever take responsibility for the misery of their people? Nope. Big bad America's fault. 🤣
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graphite · 61-69, M
@Emosaur Aww, did I hurt your widdle fee wings? Are you gonna cry? 😭