I Don't Think Guns Make Us Safer

That study however is surely made in the USA where it's really cheap for criminals to get their hands on guns. In gun ban countries illegal guns still exist but they are an expensive thing not every thief and robber can afford and is more a staple of big time organized crime.
Guns might be a deterrent in theory but the fact remains the general asumption is that anyone in the US could have a gun in their house and there's no sure way for a criminal to know they don't have one, yet break ins still happen. Also as a criminal the simple solution for that is attacking the person by surprise not assuming he doesn't have a gun in the house, a gun in the house won't jump in your hands alone when you need it.
So I do apreciate the results of the study but you fail to compare it's findings to places where bans are succesfuly implemented and how many of said violence crimes involve guns. One thing is sure violent criminals will always find ways to hurt people but it's a lot harder to have accidents and collateral damage when the criminals have blunt weapons and knives.

@kayoshin: Why would you "appreciate the results of a study" you didn't see? You're going to take someone's word on the internet? She's lying. A quick search would show you that.

I didn't. Bother with that since it's irrelevant to the theme at hand for the reasons I explained. If I felt like that would be a good point I would then check out if it's a true one.

@kayoshin: no failure on my part. What you fail to understand is you are simply looking at circumstantial evidence - i.e. a select number of countries in with really strict gun laws and lower homicide rates. There are dozens of countries that have banned guns with far higher homicide rates than the US. You fail to look at the before and after effects of firearm laws. After the implementation of the NFA in the UK, the homicide increased 60%. There's a lot more to this than you may think.

You are making corelations without basis, the murder rate increased in the uk because a decline in economy and a massive population growth trough high birth rates and massive immigration on a very limited mass of land. There is absolutely no link between gun banning and rise in crime on the contrary the rise in crime brought on the ban on guns, so as to limit the collateral damage. You are trying to manipulate data and pull connections out of thin air to feel better about guns, be my guest after all i only care on a theoretical level. I've lived in 3 european countries and never feared getting shot whenever a few rowdy teenagers look at me sideways in the dark in the wrong part of town. Can you honestly say the same in the US?

@BizSuitStacy: If you look at the low crime countries you will find that guns are not a factor but low population density available housing and low numbers in the extreme poverty are a big factor. So if you want less crime don't buy more assault rifles, create more jobs and buy less drugs :)

@kayoshin: a sudden increase in the homicide rate of 60%...60%...not to mention increases in assaults and robberies...in the year following the implementation of the NFA Act in '97. You claim this is correlary? Then you mention economic decline and massive population growth? Really...in the following year? Do you Europeans have some special way of reproducing that other humans aren't aware of?

The same thing happened in Australia after the Port Authur massacre. Draconian gun laws implemented...no reduction in the firearm homicide rate, but there was an increase in violence.

Handguns were banned in Washington DC...violent crime including homicides increased.

Chicago had the handgun ban. Violent crime increased.

We banned assault weapons for 10 years. It had no effect on crime what so ever.

Firearm homicide rate in the US is down 50% over the last 25 years...but there are more than twice as many legally owned guns in the US today as opposed to back then.

Correlation is not causation...ok...I agree. But my point all along has been:

I'm not claiming that more guns are reducing crime. But more guns are not increasing it.

@kayoshin: we actually agree that violent crime is a socio econmic issue. Most US violence occurs with the inner cities where drugs and gangs are most prevalent.

Lol first off you didn't take into account that banning guns in a country that already has them doesn't. Make them dissapear over night. However why don't you bother to look at the rates in the medium and long run as the guns got confiscated out of circulation more and more effectively. And yes you might want to see the massive imigration waves UK had like the Polish immigration.
I never said guns have anything to do with crime that was your point not mine. I said criminals always find a way to do crime. However criminals with guns do more damage and there is always collateral damage that can be avoided.
I'll give u an example: In my neighborhood growing up there were a few families that were up to loan sharking smugling etc and when they stepped each other toes you would see 20 vs 20 fights in the streets with clubs axes etc.. No guns. People always ended up in the hospital I think one guy died once cause he gut cut with a katana no joke, but imagine the same gang war with guns in the same neighborhood and tell me honestly no innocent would die or that there would have been as few casualties.

@kayoshin: Immigration? Odd, I've heard that explanation before.

Criminoligists seem to believe that the spike in violent crime, and in particular gun crime, was a result of the NFA Act. Criminals simply have less to fear.

And yes, I did track the rates of homicide and violent crime in years subsequent to the NFA Act. The rates remained elevated for a number of years until the police force was increased in order to get the homicide rate back down to pre 1997 levels, however, assaults and other forms of violence are still high...higher than in the US.

Your theory that it took time to confiscate guns from criminals has merit.

Of course they ard but also you keep ignoring the population density while us is a continent sized country UK is a similarly multicultural country with a large segment of population on welfare and just above and they are framed up on a tiny island. Why don't. You compare with countries that have the same policy but a lower population rate.
Again you act like crime would be lower without guns when you have no proof of that except for guesswork, while poverty and overpopulation are proven to equate with higher crime rates.

On the police numbers I wouldn't. Worry about that USA has the biggest and most armed police force. The first years would suck but the long term benefits would be great. Just like your ancestors took a gamble and fought the British or another fought a civil war, a generation needs to be brave and fight that war on guns and take therisks for their sons to have a better life. People these days are just more cowardly and prefer the fake sense of safety of the gun. The reality is your gun sits at home while you get robbed and shot on the street.