Is shifting the Overton Window the most important thing in politics?

@Cierzo: During the period of 1979-2008, the Overton window definately narrowed as neoliberalism became dominant; first in Britain and America, then in continental Europe. The last few years have seen that thrown open as things are being contested.

@Burnley123: This is true as far as economical matters go, but on the social terrain the Overton window has also narrowed towards progressivism. What I would like to see is that the shift of the Overton window happens in both fields.

Conservatives parties in Eastern Europe have started moving in that direction, and those in the west should take notice if they want to survive

@Cierzo: You mean they're moving toward fascism in Eastern Europe. We've already seen this movie, multiple times, and the ending is always the same.

In US politics, it seems as if one party sets the stage for the upcoming debate, and then the other party, or parties, simply react to it, making the Overton window a relative thing.

@Northwest: You see fascism, I see conservatism. I don't see an only party, militarism, or state-controlled economy.

@Cierzo: Not yet.

@Northwest: I could say that Corbyn is not stalinist yet. Frankly, this 'everything I don't like in politics is fascism (for leftists), or communism (for rightists)' is getting boring.

@Cierzo: I don't see too big of a difference between fascism and communism. What would you like me to do, pretend that Eastern Europe shift to the "right" is not a shift toward fascism? Are they inclusive of all races and religions? That's the measure I'm going by.

@Northwest: So for you it is either multiculturalism or fascism? If some country does not want muslims this makes it a fascist state?

@Cierzo: If some country uses religion as a basis for immigration, then, as history taught us, it's on its way to becoming either a fascist state or a dictatorship, with a single exception. This would be true for Europe.

If you don't want to accept history, and believe it's different, just this once, then I don't share your enthusiasm. Also, once a country decides to isolate itself, then it should expect other countries to treat it with equal isolation.

@Northwest: And if religion is much more than religion? If it includes social codes and behaviours, even laws, that go against those of the hosting country?

Call it fascism if you want. I call it self-preservation.

@Cierzo: Name a religion that does not include social codes, behavior and laws. Isn't our entire criminal/civil justice system, in the Western world, based on the ten commandments?

How about marriage, even the civil marriage code. The entire family law?

As our transportation systems improve, isolationists are going to have a hard time keeping to themselves. It's not about giving up one's identity, it's about allowing others to experience a more global existence. I think the Eastern European experience, is going to fail just as badly as it did 70 years ago, or 25 years ago, when they attempted to ethnically cleanse the Muslims.

To each their own though. I am afraid of change, but I don't want Muslims to dictate their culture on my either, for the same reason I rejected by Catholic and Jewish halves.

@Northwest: Our laws may be inspired in the ten commandments (among many other sources), but they do not follow them. If they did, abortion will not be allowed， for instance.

Transportation systems are tools. They don't determine anything by themselves. Internet should have been a way to make people more intelligent and open-minded. Has it been so? The globalist ideas are powerful, but they have not won yet. Nazi ideas seemed powerful in 1939 too (and the comparison is not casual at all).

By ethnically cleansing muslims 25 years ago you mean fighting the terrorist organ-trafficking UCK in Serbia?

@Cierzo: No, I mean the genocide, justified as fighting a terrorist organization. You can try to justify it, and from a narrow perspective, it would apply, but at the macro level, it's a genocide, committed by people with the same mentality as the SS and Brownshirts who sent some of my ancestors to the gas chambers.

Abortion is now legal in some "Christian" countries, but not all. Until 2014, abortion was approved by "committee" and under special circumstances in Israel. What you're referring to, is progressive thinking (and you may want to call regressive, depending on your religious beliefs). Statistics show that Muslim immigrants to the West, use abortion, so the primary issue is the regimes they come from, and that is cultural, rather than religious. You name a country, and I'll show you that all religions from that country, share the same attitude about abortion.

I've been involved with the Internet from the early days, and I am not sure why you think it has NOT made us smarter. Would the Human Genome project be possible without the Internet? and that's just one of hundreds of thousands of collaborative efforts, making us collectively smarter as a society. Within 10-25 years, we will wipe out cancer. There is no doubt in my mind. Isn't that collective intelligence? not to mention, individual.

Sorry, but I never saw anything powerful in Nazi ideas. All I see, from a historical perspective, is hate. If you're not up to speed on it, look up the idea of Nazi "Jewish Physics" and how they rejected advanced Physics because the bulk of the scientists were Jewish. Thankfully, Schrodinger played dumb, and that prevented Hitler from developing the bomb.

@Northwest: You use the words fascist and genocide too easily. I am tired of this rhetoric. I am tired of using words to scare people and thus avoid battling on thoughts. It reminds me of my school years. This is what discussions about politics are today. This is the progress we have come to in 2017 with all the internet.Tools have changed, our minds not

@Cierzo: History points in that direction. The most prolific fascist project of the 20th century, is the Nazi regime. The theme is all too similar to what they're pushing in Eastern Europe now.

Mussolini, although deeply committed to a Catholic fascism, was not really racist, and did not even think that Hitler was anything more than a buffoon, until he needed Hitler to survive.

It's funny though, when you mention scaring people and thus avoid battling on thoughts. Think on this one.

@Northwest: I cannot take seriously your determinist statements saying that fascism will return in Eastern Europe, or that cancer will he healed in fifteen years. Not only that, I find them scary. You talk like either you have information that 99% of people do not have, or you are truly determined to push for a certain agenda. None of both options is comforting.

Nazism was nothing but barbarism and destruction, but seeing how some use and abuse it politically all the time to compare it with political choices they despise, makes me think that its existence was very convenient to those who claim against it

@Cierzo: [quote]I cannot take seriously your determinist statements saying that fascism will return in Eastern Europe, or that cancer will he healed in fifteen years. Not only that, I find them scary. You talk like either you have information that 99% of people do not have, or you are truly determined to push for a certain agenda. None of both options is comforting.[/quote]

I did not say that cancer will be healed in 15 years, I gave a period of 10-25 years. we are in the middle of the biggest bio-tech boom in the world, one where we're crossing microbiology, hardware, nano-machines, software and physical chemistry, to battle cancer. This will not be limited to cancer.

This information is available for those who want to look at it, as in, this research is not being done in secret labs.

https://www.alleninstitute.org/
https://www.fredhutch.org/en.html
http://www.uwmedicine.org
https://acms.washington.edu/
https://www.seattlecca.org/

The independent (UK Paper), is a bit sensational, when its headline says that cancer deaths will be eliminated for all under 80 by 2050, but they're only sensationalizing some of the bits they read about, or make the news.

My partner completed an application, that when fully deployed, will revolutionize cancer treatment, and that's not 25 years from now. To sum it up, cancer patients will have the following tools at their disposal:

1. Genetically targeted therapy: this is not a cure, but a way to extend life, indefinitely, until something also kills the patient. DNA analysis of both the cancer and the patient's cells, will custom produce therapies that will eliminate only cancerous cells. Early versions of this are being deployed as we speak, and the rate of progress is exponential.

2. Therapy delivery tools. These will be nano-machines, that will initially consist of a delivery vehicle (a few atoms), carrying the therapy directly to cancerous cells. This will eventually become a one-way vehicle, where the therapy itself is the delivery vehicle, and when it arrives at its target, it will re-configure to become the therapy. We're probably about 5-10 years away from effective trials.

3. Direct genetic manipulation, that will provide an actual cure/prevention, much like a vaccine. The earliest versions of this, will be deployed for different types of cancer, later versions (beyond 25 years from now), will self-modify.

4. Genetic monitoring tools. This is 35+ years away, and will involve "genetic" monitors, that note variations from the norm, and either alert or apply a local fix if it's possible.

All this will be possible thanks to the crossing of various disciplines I mentioned earlier. Most of the information is available to the public, as in anyone with access to the Internet. For most of it though, you would have to know what you're looking for, and for the most part, and for the near future, you would probably need to know what you're doing, as in it would help if you're a biologist, physicist, mathematician, computer scientist, etc.

At a minimum, you would need to spend less time researching how John Podesta, former President Clinton Chief of Staff, and his brother, in collusion with Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation, are kidnapping pre-teen British girls, while vacationing in Portugal, sending them to the US, or some other location, to train as prostitutes, and then putting them to work, servicing the Clinton Foundation donors, or friends of Bill Clinton, out of a pizza parlor in the US.

[quote]saying that fascism will return in Eastern Europe[/quote]

I did not say that fascism will return in Eastern Europe, you misunderstood me. I am saying that it IS back in Eastern Europe. It has not won yet, but it's there. People have a choice: learn from history, or pretend it will be better this time around.

Perhaps there's a new name for it. Franco was not really a fascist, even though his alliance with the other fascists may lead one to believe so, but the same ideas applied there, and his first decade in power was marked by mass murders, torture, jail, rapes, etc. against Protestants, liberals (I'm including a lot of groups here), intellectuals, even Freemasons and separatists (Basque, Catalan).

[quote[Nazism was nothing but barbarism and destruction, but seeing how some use and abuse it politically all the time to compare it with political choices they despise, makes me think that its existence was very convenient to those who claim against it[/quote]

Yes, it's very convenient to have one's ancestors perish in Hitler's genocide camps. Can you imagine if I did not have that, what else would I be using to complain or make a political point? Why didn't fascists think of this? All they had to do, was get murdered, by the millions, and they would have it made politically, today.