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Do the Democrats need a new strategy?

I have just found out about the poor results for the party in the special elections and it seems obvious that in spite of everything that Trump has done, there is little or no sign that the Dems are about to win big on the back of it.

The Republican base vote shows zero sign of collapsing because of Trump and if that hasn't happened by now then it never will. Trump's approval rating is low but seemingly not low enough for Republican voters to see him as worse than their traditional political opponents. The Democrats - by contrast - have the same old problems motivating their own base to turn up outside of Presidential elections. It seems to me that the Democrats are boxing defensively; attacking Trump over Russia and for being crazy and whatever, but not offering an alternative vision or narrative of their own. Yearning for the old status quo only works when the status que is popular and Trump's victory itself proves that this is not the case in America.

The Bernie wing of the Democrats maintain that the party should offer a more leftward platform in order to win back white working class voters and to increase the youth turnout. Jeremy Corbyn's relative success in the recent UK election seems to back up that theory, though even I have to admit that JC did benefit from some unusually favourable circumstances during ghe campaign, some of which (like the looming Brexit) are not transferable across the Atlantic . Also note that the Sanders backed Rob Quist faild to beat the Republicans in Montana

There is no magic wand for the Democrats but waiting for Trump to implode will not win an election on its own. The Democrats need to connect to people's values and offer change, building loyalty over a long period.
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RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
Like others here , I wouldn't read too much into Republicans holding mega safe states. Strategically speaking though , they need to get their act together before the mid-terms. Whining about how they lost and attacking that asshole clearly isn't a plan.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@pezzza: hopefully democrats will not change their wonderful strategy. In a couple election cycles we can change some republicans out for conservatives
bigjohndl · 70-79, M
@pezzza: But see. you attacked Trump in your last statement. You are saying the dems need to get their act together and then attack by calling him a vulgar name. This whole "attack Trump" plan is not working and people are starting to get tired of it. He is not going anywhere contrary to what people are being told. And he is appeasing a majority of people on immigration reform and the stock market is doing better than ever.

The dems are making it super hard to get any of their party elected.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@bigjohndl: oh let them insult. It's working great.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@bigjohndl: I attack that asswipe every single day. But I'm not a democrat and I'm not seeking a political advantage. And he will be going , his own big fat stupid mouth has already assured that.
bigjohndl · 70-79, M
@MasterLee: You are right. They are the best asset the Republican party has.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@pezzza: Working out fine, yes indeed
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@bigjohndl: Oh I wouldn't go that far but they have riled the base.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@MasterLee: Mr. Mueller thinks so.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@MasterLee: ooh ..... don't rile the base.
bigjohndl · 70-79, M
@pezzza: I find guys like you hilarious. Keep attacking. It will only make you look foolish in the long run. He must be doing a lot right for people to attack him like you do.

Sad thing is, it is not good for our country. The world is watching and they see such venom coming from the left. Remember, Karma is a bitch and the left are finding that out.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@pezzza: Yes he has no evidence but keeps probing. Elections have consequences
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@MasterLee: If there was 'no evidence' he would never have been appointed Special Counsel.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@pezzza: Considering they skipped the evidence part...
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@MasterLee: So 'no evidence' has led to an FBI investigation , 4 House and Senate investigations and now a Special Counsel. It's amazing what you can do with no evidence.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@pezzza: it is indeed
bigjohndl · 70-79, M
@pezzza: Just curious. What evidence have they got? Nobody seems to know.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@bigjohndl: You seem to be missing the point entirely. WITHOUT any evidence investigations would never have been initiated. And without actual prima facie evidence of serious wrongdoing a Special Counsel would not have been even considered.
bigjohndl · 70-79, M
@pezzza: Special counsels were conceived by the Democrats to go after the Republicans and they found it backfired when the Republicans used Ken Star to go after Clinton. I would not put much stock in a "special counsel" to go after any President, not matter how much they would like to bring one down.
bigjohndl · 70-79, M
@pezzza: special counsel go after the people they investigate to try to find something that can be used against them. If they had evidence against Trump, then it would be presented to a court. They would not have to hunt for something like a special counsel does.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@bigjohndl: You are mixing up evidence and proof. There needs to be some evidence (probable cause say) to initiate an investigation. You can't do it with nothing. The task of the investigation is find proof.
bigjohndl · 70-79, M
@Burnley123: And what evidence do they have? Everyone involved has said there is nothing tangible. It is a witch hunt by one party to discredit someone. Has happened ever since the democrats started it with a special counsel so they would not have to get their hands dirty and be accountable to their constituents. Of course they hated it when the Republicans used it against them with Clinton. LOL
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@bigjohndl: You can't start an investigation without something to go on, as you well know.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@Burnley123: except this time