"ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT" is a made up term. By law they are illegal aliens

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penaltiesAny alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.
(June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title II, ch. 8, § 275, 66 Stat. 229; Pub. L. 99–639, § 2(d), Nov. 10, 1986, 100 Stat. 3542; Pub. L. 101–649, title I, § 121(b)(3), title V, § 543(b)(2), Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4994, 5059; Pub. L. 102–232, title III, § 306(c)(3), Dec. 12, 1991, 105 Stat. 1752; Pub. L. 104–208, div. C, title I, § 105(a), Sept. 30, 1996, 110 Stat. 3009–556.)

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

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MistyCee

Oh, for heavens sake, Jack. You can do better than this.

This section provides civil penalties for aliens who enter improperly as well as other individuals who evade immigration laws by marriage or as part of a commercial enterprise. It doesn't "define" anything and is just one of a number of related statutes on the topic.

If you really want to flip your lid and provoke a provocative discussion, why not go on and look at 8 U.S. Code § 1324a, which provides for employment penalties in connection with "unauthorized aliens".

Its a pretty pathetic definition, but at least that term is in fact defined in 8 USC 1224a(h)(3).

Pherick · 41-45, M

I like the cut of your jib! ;)

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

Nice try Misty there is no such term as illegal immigrant in the immigration code.

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

@Pherick:

Have you read her profile lol?

Pherick · 41-45, M

@Jackjjacksonjr: I just did? I don't see an issue? Are you referring to the part about her basically having an onlin persona? So what? Alot of people do something similar. My buddy lacsar isn't really a millionaire, yacht-travelling, model-dater, but he plays one here on SW.

MistyCee

@Pherick: @jackjjacksonjr:

I'm right here guys. Can y'all stop ogling my sailboat parts and give me the respect I deserve as an online person? Sheesh.

Pherick · 41-45, M

@Misty71: *eyes up your mainsail* Sorry Sorry .. *moves my eyes back to your poopdeck where they belong*

MistyCee

@Jackjjacksonjr: Very few statutes ever define illegal, for obvious reasons. They say what's illegal, but they don't define it.

And the use of the term alien is deliberate, for constitutional reasons, historical reasons, and practical ones.

I'm no immigration law expert, but I'd be astonished if Congress defined the term immigrant, rather than leaving that up to executive/administrative rule making.

But, Jack, I still don't really get your point? Is it just that aliens sound bad?

MistyCee

@Pherick: Thanks, Pherick. Now, I'm blushing, and my lower deck is all wet.

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

@Pherick:
😲

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

@Misty71:

The question is why someone somewhere chose to start using a made up term and the reasoning behind it.

MistyCee

@Jackjjacksonjr: A deliberately ambiguous question without a question mark?

Can I try and help you, big guy?

Intent to emigrate shouldn't matter. People can lie about that. The bottom line is, theyre aliens and they can only enter by lawful means. We should be able to deport the mother fers, if theyre not supposed to be here, no matter what their stated intentions for enrolling in flight schools is.

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

@Misty71:

How do you make the leap to flight schools ????

MistyCee

@Jackjjacksonjr: it's an illustration of why aliens might want to come to the US, is all.

If thats too close to home, maybe they want to study infectious diseases at the CDC?

MistyCee

@Jackjjacksonjr: Not a bad question, I guess, but I wouldn't expect the statute to define the term.

Serial killers aren't usually defined by statute either, and if you think about it, we rarely define "bad people" by statute. We make things illegal, like rape, but it's always whomever commits rape.... Not... all rapists get....

That may be changing in America though. Now that lying, name calling, pussy grabbing, bullying and ad hominem attacks are acceptable and admired by 45% of Americans, and a guy who does that gets to pick judges, identifying criminals by type, or race doesn't seem to be such a big stretch.

Damn... Did I get dramatic again?

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

@Misty71:

Hmmmmm. Were you referring to anyone in particular?

The topic isn't about definitions per se. It's about words. The statute refers to aliens. Legal ones, illegal ones, resident ones. The word immigrant is absent from the statute. How did it magically appear?

katielass · F

You talking about the 1986 law that has never really been enforced? Why it's nothing but a gentle slap on the wrist. Change the penalty to $10k per illegal per day and you'll find employers looking for Americans again.

Pherick · 41-45, M

@Jackjjacksonjr: It didn't magically appear, it started in 1937 ...

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/09/looking-first-use-term-illegal-immigrant/323086/

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

@Pherick:

Excellent research. THEY have been trying to dupe us for years 😂