Trumpets: Do you believe the things trump says? And why won't you come out and say so?

Well that's how he won the election.
Non-specific promises to make murrica great again.

@UnparalleledMonster:

What you don't seem to understand is that Mrs Clinton is SO odious that what the president will accomplish will be superior to THAT.

@Jackjjacksonjr:

Nope. We're not accepting the tired trumpet deflection of "b-b-but HILLARY!"

Answer the question or leave

@UnparalleledMonster: That's right. But it's not to say there isn't some validity to what they're saying. The "real" Americans don't see themselves represented on TV. They don't see their way of life acknowledged respectfully by a lot of urban dwellers and those who've had the good fortune to receive an education. They do feel like they're often taken advantage of. A lot of them work really hard. It's not easy for them to read about people living off the governments dime. They feel their money is going to support laziness. They don't understand the realities a lot of people on welfare face and how little they have. Or the realities of what many immigrants are running from to come here. All they know is their lives are harder because of it. I get that.

What they need to start thinking about are the real enemies. The "browns and blacks and social justice warriors" are easy to attack. The ones REALLY responsible for keeping them down aren't as tangible.

What does piss me off is the assumption that "libtards" and "Demorats" aren't concerned with the "real Americans" well-being. For me, the frustration comes from seeing hard working people kiss the hand that beats them. It doesn't have to be that way.

@Ynotisay:

I agree there. It's not that all his supporters are stupid. It's just that they weren't happy and his blanket "policy" to make america great again and his apparent identification of their woes (foreigners) convinced them that he would improve things.

It amazes me how many people voted for him on the basis that he wasn't part of the political elite, that he was just like them.

Motherfucker lived and lives a privileged life that few can even imagine AND at the expense of people like them

@UnparalleledMonster:

Not impressed with threats and my review indicates no stuttering lol. THIS President deserves all of our support through this year. Re-evaluate at the 2018 SOTU address. As far as I'm concerned so far so good despite the most unfair and uninformed opposition a newly elected president has ever faced.

@Jackjjacksonjr:

lol you're really just proving my point, jack.🙄
Do you believe the things trump says? Are the claims he makes trustworthy?

Don't deflect, don't try to change the focus of the conversation.
Answer that simple question and be prepared to defend it.

Strike two

@UnparalleledMonster: I brought that up to my brother. Why support someone who wouldn't have walked across the street to spit on a working class person before his campaign? A guy who has ONLY looked out for his own best interests throughout his life? He didn't have an answer.

I guess "believe me" is enough when you want something to change.

@Ynotisay:

I guess it must be.
But it's still staggering how much people were willing to ignore throughout the campaign.

@UnparalleledMonster:

I'm always happy to have a straightforward discussion as long as it goes both ways. So far I sense the possibility of prejudging on your part.

As a show of your good faith please answer your two questions and provide your reasons. I will then do the same.

@Jackjjacksonjr:

Easy. I don't think you folks believe the things that trump says. Particularly because many of them turn out to be objectively inaccurate (eg inauguration turnout).
As for why you won't come out and say yes or no, i have no idea.

Ok, you're turn

@Jackjjacksonjr:

Hmmm. Well i guess i did say to answer the question or leave. I see you made your choice.
So much for good faith...

Hey Jack. He's just a loser troll who lashes out in a little boy way because that's what he is, a little 12 year old boy. He is so stupid he thinks he wins when normal people refuse to waste their time on him. He's a loser and he knows it. That's why he's so angry.

@katielass:

Hey katie. Maybe we'll take you seriously when you can write an entire sentence without descending into spastic tantrums.
And it's just a bit hilarious that you call what i said to jack "lashing out like a kid" given what you just wrote...

lol
Owned.

@UnparalleledMonster: Hey poopy pants. How ya doing? snif snif... Pooped in your diaper again? Not to worry, we don't judge, just stand way over there hon.

@UnparalleledMonster:

Sorry for the delay my friend. I had some real life items to take care of. Is what the President says always 100% accurate after thorough analysis? Of course not. Your example of the inauguration crowd size is a good example. I was there and it seemed like a lot of people however I didn't have a chance to look at crowd at other inaugurations that day. Standing on the capital steps it looked like a lot of people and if I was Trump I would have been overwhelmed and probably have hyperbolized myself. Did Obama himself wiretap Trump Tower. Of course not. Did anyone believe that those are the facts Trump intended to convey? Of course not. It was shorthand. As the facts come out, it appears that intelligence agencies of some sort captured incidentally conversations while surveillance unidentified "foreigners". Based on that the "essence" of the claim seems to hsve legs. Historically "wiretaps" were place on landline phone switchboards. Those things are dinosaurs having been replaced by "survellience" which covers who knows what.

So sure I agree there have been several technically inaccurate things said by the President. Is it part of a grandiose deception scheme? I don't think so. Is it off the cuff and sloppy eothout consulting advisors sometimes? Of course.

Personally I'd like to see the WH spearhead the health care bill rather than watch a half assed congressional effort. Perhaps that is what will happen next when this version doesn't make it.

@Jackjjacksonjr:

Was obama the founder of isis? Did comey agree that trump was wire tapped? Did he see thousands of people cheering when the world trade center came down?

I see you using a lot of mitigating adjectives here. "technically inaccurate", not "100% accurate after thorough analysis". I particularly like the absurd red herring did "obama himself" wiretap? Well that's ridiculous. No one thought oabam got in there with a wire himself and no one thought that's what trump was saying.

So that sort of sounds like a soft yes. You know that you can't believe all the numerous objectively incorrect things trump says but you're willing to characterize those falsehoods as being over enthusiastic or not speaking literally.

Can you cut the bullshit, stop trying to mitigate the damage and give a definitive yes or no?

@UnparalleledMonster:

Not a red herring. Obviously no one interpreted the comment as implying that "President Obama personally installed a wiretap" lol. As I clearly tried to write, government employees under the ultimate control of the president surveilled someone to get the information. Whether it was intentional or not.

Personally I don't think President Trump often speaks literally that most of it is figurative. Exaggerated? Often. Designed to create a response? Very often.

All presidents use this technique however President Trump had brought it to a new level.

You may recall that Gary Hart couldn't even run president due to ,Ari tail infidelity. Later admitted infidelity was determined by voters not to matter when determining who should be president. At one time neither a person of color or a woman would be considered for president. Thr point it that times change and old standards cease to apply. We are into a new world with a Snapchat twitter generation president. Is it a good thing? The voters will decide in 2024. Who knows what new stuff will be in the public domain by then.


Explanations don't equal not answering questions. Some questions are of thr when did you stop kicking your dog variety. Could the words said by President Trump be literally taken that way sure. Did most voters do that no.

@Jackjjacksonjr:

I'm sorry, but you're really just making excuses for why it's ok that the things trump says can't "always 100% accurate after thorough analysis".

[quote]I don't think President Trump often speaks literally that most of it is figurative.[/quote]

Are we talking about the bible here? This is ridiculous.
Now we have to parse the obvious lies until we discover the figurative meaning that trump obviously intended?

Nope.
Sorry.

If this is all you're going to give me, if you're going to use excuses or "explanations" in place of what is a simple yes or no question, then i don't think this conversation can go forward.

@UnparalleledMonster:

If you can't handle the truth .....

I'm looked forward to the release of the new Mrs Clinton book titled "Shattered". That's not a joke.

@Jackjjacksonjr:

I think the problem here is that you can't handle the truth, jack.
That's why you have to make excuses.
"oh well you can't take what he says LITERALLY, obviously"
"sure, maybe what he says isn't always 100% accurate when you look at the facts...".


A rather telling stance which i think, even though you appear to be afraid to give a simple yes or no answer, speaks for itself.

@UnparalleledMonster:

No fear my friend. I'm always pleased to answer accurately.

What's your health care prediction?

@Jackjjacksonjr:

Characterize your evasion tactics in whatever way is pleasing to you, jack.
But don't think you're fooling anyone...🙄

@UnparalleledMonster:

I'll mark you down for a Republican win then.