Only logged in members can reply and interact with the post.
Join SimilarWorlds for FREE »

Teresa May is rejecting the call for a Scottish independence referendum till after Brexit.

I would be angry but she is only strengthening belief that Westminster doesn't listen to us.
This page is a permanent link to the reply below and its nested replies. See all post replies »
SandInMyShoes · 36-40, F
You do realise that if you leave the UK, you'll leave the EU anyway? And that the EU won't accept you as members? Spain and Belgium for two will veto it, even if you met membership criteria, which you don't.
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
Why would Belgium? Most are for our inclusion and say we can even be fast tracked. Spain only aren't because they don't want to give the Catalonians ideas and they are talking about making it about a majority vote anyway. Anyway I don't care about the EU so I'm not bothered.
lorne13 · 61-69, M
Scotland could easily leave the UK and stay in the EU if people chose to
SandInMyShoes · 36-40, F
@lorne13: No it couldn't. Leaving the UK means automatically ending their EU membership.
Lynda70 · F
If Scotland remains part of the UK it will leave the EU with the rest of the UK. As an independent country, it can apply for membership in its own right and, unlike England, it has some friends in Europe.
SandInMyShoes · 36-40, F
@thatscottishguy: The Belgians have their own separatists.
If you don't care about the EU then the answer is simple, you had a "once in a lifetime" referendum 3 years ago.
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
@SandInMyShoes: Then applying for membership and the threat of "you may not get in" is pointless when we are being dragged out anyway.
SandInMyShoes · 36-40, F
@Lynda70: That would be why I said "if it met membership criteria, which it doesn't"
The EU doesn't want or need an independent Scotland in it.
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
Once in a lifetime is a phrase used often and the promises of the no campaign have been broken. The SNP have a mandate to pursue another referendum.
SandInMyShoes · 36-40, F
@thatscottishguy: You won't get in, so how do you imaging Scotland is going to finance itself? It runs a defecit as part of the UK so....
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
Plenty of EU officials have said they want Scotland to be members and I'm sure they'd love to piss off Little England.
SandInMyShoes · 36-40, F
@thatscottishguy: Oh it's one of the "once in a lifetime if we get the right answer" ones? All the polling data shows you'd lose this one too.
SandInMyShoes · 36-40, F
@thatscottishguy: You're avoiding the point about meeting membership criteria! Scotland misses it by a mile, and I *really* don't see it annoying us in the least!
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
Like every other small nation does😂. We only have this deficit because of the UK Government so your argument is "why would you want to leave a union when you have a problem that the union gave you?"
Lynda70 · F
@thatscottishguy: Like I said, Scotland has friends in Europe.

I believe the Act of Union, joining Scotland to England, came about because the Scots were planning to allow the French to invade England via Scotland. Perhaps they owe the Scots a favour. ;)
SandInMyShoes · 36-40, F
@thatscottishguy: Under the Barnet formula that doesn't fly, sorry. You get much more money per head than we do. Partly why I'd love there to be a UK wide referendum...
SandInMyShoes · 36-40, F
@Lynda70: Friends is one thing, not meeting hard membership rules is another. We're used to the mostly one-sided hostility too.
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
Sorry there are different points here and I hadn't really noticed the membership criteria bit. How do we not pass it? I can't think of a reason why when EU officials are for our inclusion.
Lynda70 · F
@SandInMyShoes: In the last general election, the SNP, the party calling for independence, swept the board, taking all but two (?) ot the seats. I think it's fair to say the SNP has quite a bit of support.
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
We get more money per head purley because we pay more tax per head. A UK wide referendum would mean we'd never leave.
SandInMyShoes · 36-40, F
@thatscottishguy: You have far too high a budget defecit and no currency
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
Well we could keep the pound but I'd rather we have our own currency and we only have this deficit because of the UK. Also plenty have got in the EU in worse positions than us (plus we are already in it with this deficit).
SandInMyShoes · 36-40, F
@Lynda70: The Scots Nats won more seats in Westminster, but actual polling data shows Leave would lose again. Don't forget the Scots are fed up with Labour and the Tories so there's only one option.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/841958962144657408
SandInMyShoes · 36-40, F
@thatscottishguy: Er no, you were told that last time, leave us, no Pound. The best case for you would be you get to the back of the queue for membership, behind Serbia and Montenegro.
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
Yes but there's other polling data that puts it closer and considering last time we clawed back a huge gap and this time we would have EU nationals on our side there is a great chance we can win.
SandInMyShoes · 36-40, F
@thatscottishguy: Lol, it's all fantasy. I wish you'd go but it won't happen. I genuinely believe if the referendum was open to England and Wales too, you'd get your wish.