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To anyone who was in the US military. How much leeway do top officers have to disobey an insane but techincally legal order? Like if Trump orders a

nuclear attack just because he can't admit he lost in Iran. Remember this is a man incapable of admitting he lost at a golf tournament.

And this is also the same man that seriously asked his advisors whether he could divert a hurricane with a nuclear weapon and was completely serious about it.
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Ontheroad · M
They do have some leeway and especially with a nuclear strike. Article 51 of the UN Convention, the Caroline Doctrine and several other factors make this only permissible if the strike is in response to a major threat to your country, is proportional, etc.

I'm absolutely certain a nuclear attack on Iran would be more than questioned - as in it would without Iran being a real threat, be refused by many key officers.
@Ontheroad
Questioned, sure. But he would still insist on doing what he wants to do…and convince enough people to believe it to be right.
Ontheroad · M
@CookieCrumbs the uproar in the Pentagon, Joint Chiefs, etc., would stall it and it would go public immediately. Congress would act and the public would be outraged. I don't think it would ever launch.
@Ontheroad …so people thought on January 6th, 2021…

Trump is demented. In his second misadministration he began by firing or otherwise removing all the guardrails around him: fired Flag Officers, JAGs, IG, he has blatantly committed over 200 extrajudicial murders which violate the UCMJ, LOAC, international maritime law, domestic law and has not answered FOR A SINGLE ONE OF THEM…

He issues illegal “Executive Orders” on a nearly daily basis, he insults & threatens Federal Judges, posted an image of himself posed to strike a prosecutor during a case against him in the head with a baseball bat…

He is an adjudicated rapist & insurrectionist, he has 34 felony convictions…

This fool is unstable, incompetent, beyond irrational,

So, no… do NOT SAY IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
Well, in theory you must disobey an illegal order.

However if you are talking about a nuclear strike very few persons could intervene to stop it, I would think. As a non-combatant, I never studied the legality of a nuclear first strike, but I think most would represent an illegal act of war. A tactical, limited nuclear strike on a purely military target might be legal…but who could actually stop it?

I am unaware of any fail safe on the nuclear football. Apparently we were very, very close to such a situation at the end of Demented Donnie’s first misadministration given the discussion Nancy Pelosi had with General Milley…
@KunsanVeteran I mean I understand the idea of civilian control of the Armed Forces and mostly agree with it. But alot of this was conceived when rifled barrels were state of the art technology.


It seems like an oversight that one person with zero requirement of a background in understanding the consequences of such decisions can potentially just end the human race because they could not check their ego.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I imagine you know that I spend a great deal of time on here advocating for the need to have a mechanism to remove the POTUS, VP, cabinet members, SCOTUS Justices, etc for mental health emergencies.

I retired near the end of tRUMP’s third year of his misadministration. Shortly after getting back to my home I found myself watching in shock his January 6th violent insurrection and asking myself “Good Lord where are all the DC/Maryland/Virginia police reinforcements? The National Guard? The Armed Forces? Why is no one stopping this TREASON IN PLAIN SIGHT?”

Then we had Graham, McConnell, almost ALL of the GOP Congressmen & Senators rolling over and playing dead. Then came the pardons…now the J6 Slush Fund…

Somewhere, somehow we must get BRAKES BACK ON OUR GOVERNMENT where this demented fool can be quickly neutered, subdued, and imprisoned.

Because we have let him push it THIS FAR that we are actually having this very conversation.
@KunsanVeteran For sure. And on January 6th the same GOP members of Congress that were literally hiding under their desks were calling these traitors heroes and patriots later. Bizarre.
I was never in the military and I hope you get a response from someone who was.

But I know that there have been numerous documented instances in which US military personnel violated the Geneva Conventions.

I wouldn't put it past them to carry out orders that are insane or even illegal by US law.

And unfortunately I think we're closer to nuclear war right now than we've been in a long time, in spite of what the Trump admin would tell you.
Bottlerocket · 26-30, MNew
Lay off the kool aid. Left wing nut johs give right wing nutjobs a run for their money
@Bottlerocket Words have definitions. The one engaing in cult behavior is you.


And you have proven you have no idea what left wing even means. Since you don't understand basic English terminology your opinion is worth not much at all.
Bottlerocket · 26-30, MNew
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow this thread is nothing but you displaying cult like behavior i don't expect you to see it. You don't recognize the average Trump supporter when you pass them by the street but most of the time you know an anti Trump nutcase when you see them.
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