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Wait – some people get $100,000 a year in social security benefits?



[i]Photo above – found ‘em! Possible geezer retirees banking $100,000 a year in Social Security benefits.[/i]

Never in my wildest dreams did I think anyone was getting $100,000 a year in social security benefits. But that’s what some married retirees are pulling down. $50,000 each a year (see link below). If $50,000 sounds less scary than $100,000, let’s remember that the average social security benefit is only $2,000 a month.

The USA Today article below outlines 6 ways to fix the Social Security trust fund crisis. Without implementing some combination of these changes, benefits checks will soon plummet by 28%. Both for someone taking home $100,000, and the majority scraping by on just $2,000 a month.

Changing social security is the “3rd rail "of DC politics. Meaning if you touch it, you’re electrocuted, both metaphorically and politically. Every Social Security change devised has winners and losers. Most of the changes create losers, leading to angry geezers on election day.

Even a seemingly innocuous proposal – such as the $100,000 cap – has unanticipated downsides which the proponents fail to envision. The ONLY way you can score $50,000/$100,000 in annual benefits is if you delayed your retirement age to 70. Somebody with a pocket calculator is going to look at the new $100,000 rule, and quickly figure out it makes more sense to retire at 67. They will bank 3 years of additional benefits, albeit at a 20% lower payout. I don’t know enough math to figure out how many retirees are going to begin taking benefit years earlier, and what this could cost.

There is also a proposal – which I like – to extend workers’ social security payroll tax to ALL earned income, not just the $180,000 limit in place today. This alone would solve 70% of the trust fund insolvency problem. Sounds great, except some politicians and accountants are already fretting that this would “burden high earners”. High earners are the guys who have disposable cash to shower on election campaigns, so maybe this would be a problem. Moe of a problem in states like California and New York, but not in the fly-over, middle America states where only 1% of the population earns more than $180,000 a year.

Some other trust fund fixes range from the familiar to the absurd:

Keep raising the retirement age from 67 to 68, 69, 70 etc. as our lifespans increase. The problem with this is that America’s social security norm (67) is already years beyond the European average of 65. And they have even longer lifespans: places like Switzerland, Italy (!), Spain and the United Kingdom all have life expectancies well into the 80’s. Does anyone want to retire later AND die sooner in the USA?

The absurd: one of the trust fund proposals is to start taxing employer provided health benefits as if it was actual income. For example, if you’re an Amazon driver or picker, you could end up paying – out of pocket – anywhere from $20 (single worker) to $650 a month (family plan) for your health coverage. That means Amazon is subsidizing the difference – possibly $10,000 a year in health premiums, or more. Does anyone want to pay an extra $600-$1,000 a year in social security payroll tax just because their employer is forward thinking, and set up a nice health plan? I didn’t think so.

Proposals like the one below – from the “Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget” have been appearing for years. And they never gain traction. Because politicians always prefer to kick the can down the road. If some non-partisan committee of wonks thought clearly about this stuff, they’d understand why the Social Security trust fund is insolvent, and why America has a $39 trillion national debt. Because there’s no upside for any politician to either raise taxes or cut spending.

I’m just sayin’ . . .


A proposal would cap Social Security at $100,000. Will it fly?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/a-proposal-would-cap-social-security-at-100-000-will-it-fly/ar-AA22nGFF?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=69f9cad98473400bbb9ad2bb20afaa27&ei=23
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exchrist · 36-40
Simplest approach is to minimize cost through risk reduction AND maximize spending effect through efficiency and including cost in everyday life. Examples. 1.Diet/nutrition then excersize/fitness; 2. Reduction of environmental pollution. 3. Avoid foreign expenditures
Those three strategies could cost save as much as 70% of spending.
Expansion 1) per the case the FDA vs. dr. Sebi ( Alfredo Bowman) additionally avoidance of HFCS which contains bio mercury ( I can explain). Reduces autism cancer and strengthens the immune system.
2) pollution in air and water accounts for as much as a third of health problems.
3) currently the vast majority of America’s debt (about 80%) is sourced from Military expenditure in foreign conflicts. Stop the entangled alliance start paying the bills. Military expenditure is currently about $1 Billion a day (that’s only the interest on the debt owed.
exchrist · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida agree; clearly something doesn’t add up so those in power that could reveal the truth are controlled by those with all the money. Would your boss whom benefits from all the corruption and tax breaks be interested in revealing the underlying corruption?
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@exchrist i'm in favor of greater transparency in all areas.

1 - no closed senate hearings, unless it's national security
2 - full dislosure of corporate board meetings and votes
3 - release of unedited/raw interviews by broadcasters with government officials
4 - making congress read all bills before they come to a vote, and attest to that, so they can't disavow their votes later.
exchrist · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida 1. Agree, but they will claim national security everytime ;(
2. Agree do you mean public or fully visible to the all members of a company.
3. Agree I thought that was law anyway? It should be.
4. If Congress doesn’t read the bill, in full, prior to signing it ought to be perjury. Definitely they shouldn’t be getting paid.
Zonuss · 46-50, M
Why is that a bad thing
If you earned it you deserve it.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Zonuss its bad if it makes the social security trust fund insolvent
pdockal · 56-60, M
I work for every penny i put into social security
So why can't i collect the maximum when i put it the maximum ?????

It's NOT a government benefit or handout

I don't think $ 4K a month is enough


What's going to make the Fund insolvent is anybody collecting that didn't put money into the system
dale74 · M
Well, first of all, I think we should have term limits on everybody in the federal government.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@dale74 no question. two terms on senators. suggest something for house of representatives - 4? will they be allowed to "graduate" to the senate when their house term is up?

i'd like an easier recall process. Loser pays for the cost of the recall vote, of course.
dale74 · M
@SusanInFlorida senate 2 house 3 president 2 governor 2 if you enter office through appointment then if you serve more than 75% of a term it counts if less than 75% you can still serve the extra.
exchrist · 36-40
All those over 65 year olds are taking jobs from the next generation of parents and their children. 100,000 yearly is $8,334$ monthly that’s more than most people earn.
All social security benefits received over federal minimum wage ($7.25/hr) per year should be taxed at 50% after that amount. All earning over 7.25*40=290*52=$15,800.00/yr
SS earnings per person should be taxed as income if more than $15,000 a year adjusted for inflation. Upon retirement the majority of ppl have a house, kids moved out, assets; car all paid off. Therefore can afford to pay taxes moreso than new workers or young parents can.
dale74 · M
@exchrist i think social security should be exempt from taxes fully
dale74 · M
@exchrist there are 52 weeks in a year not 40. But i disagree on taxing social security at all i also feel there should be a min tax even if you make 7.25 and hr although i thin it should be like 2% then if you make more than 20k -45k taxed at 10% 45k-75k 15% the 75k-150k maybe 25% over 150k 30% over 1m 35%.
exchrist · 36-40
@dale74 I agree
dale74 · M
Well even at the the return on what they paid in is pathetic just like everybody receiving social security. My biggest complaint is. I think there should be a separate fund for disability. No, I do not think this ability. People should be cut off from receiving support but I don't think it should come out of social security. Especially people who have been on disability, practically their entire life.
exchrist · 36-40
@dale74 definitely a separate fund, some people are disabled for life there are entire industries with thousands of employees being paid to support those people.
Ontheroad · M
It all comes down to a broken, badly abused system whose representatives (Congress) have succumbed to rewarding themselves rather than those they supposedly represent.

Our system (based on the Constitution) was written with few, actually almost no guardrails to prevent what we see today... it was written when we held honor, ethics and morality as the guidelines. A, as it turns out, foolish mistake that has brought us to where we are today.
Ontheroad · M
@SusanInFlorida yep, and any guess to any future changes would have been just that, a guess. So, if they had guessed their chances would have been slim to get it right. They had no idea what would happen (wars, baby boom, fall off of birth rate, etc.) and Congress would still have been left with the need to adjust the rates, who paid what, etc. Congress is the problem. Has been and until they have no choice, they will kick the can down the road.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Ontheroad actuarial/math problems like this can probably be better solved by AI, than presidential staff members and congresspersons with law degrees.
Ontheroad · M
@SusanInFlorida no disagreement there... it's a few seconds job for AI. Now if we could get Congress off their collective patooties and get busy!

 
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