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Rev. Franklin Graham prayed for victory over Iran. Pope Leo condemned the war.

They are both Americans, and they are both Christians.

Who is sitting on the right side of Jesus, and who is on wrong side with the Devil?

This is a discussion for devout American Christians who are committed to their faith.
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@ArishMell
I take your theological point there, but as a person he was Jewish.

Let me split another hair here as well. If there was a historical Jesus, he was not Jewish. There were no Jews back then and none of the national borders that carve up the Middle East we know today.

Two thousand years ago, there was Palestine, the land of the Jesus story. And Jesus was an Israelite, one of the indigenous peoples living there. The Israelites, also known as Hebrews, practiced the religion of Yawehism in their temple at Jerusalem. The Roman persecuted the Israelites, crucified Jesus, and destroyed their temple just as the Babylonians destroyed it before them. The Roman persecution of the Israelites was protracted and went on for a couple of hundred years causing many Israelites to flee. Most of them went to Europe while those who stayed in Palestine settled among the other indigenous people who were mainly Arabs. The Israelites who fled practiced a form of Yawehism called Judaism based on Hebrew scripture and the Talmud, an "Oral Law," a massive compilation of rabbinic debates. Practitioners of Judaism became known as Jews. German Jews are called Askenazi Jews. Spanish Jews are called Shephardic Jews, and so on. This bring us to the question of the Promised Land, a zionist project.

Zionists are atheists and zionism is a European Jewish secular nationalist movement in the late 19th century rather than a religious one. The Promised Land was a compact between God and the Israelites whose religion was Yawehism. Israel is Palestinian territory colonized by the British and given to the zionists. Many Jews are not zionists. Zionism is a political ideology that has nothing to do with God and the Promised Land he gave to the descendants of Abraham of the Hebrew Bible.
peterlee · M
@sree251 More complex. After the Holocaust the Russians came to an agreement with America pto expel Jews from Stalinist Russia. The Americans did not want them. So the Christian Arabs in Palestine sold their land to the Americans, hence the Jewish people, so badly treated, settled there.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@peterlee
So the Christian Arabs in Palestine sold their land to the Americans, hence the Jewish people, so badly treated, settled there.

Are you saying that the 1947 borders of Israel defined land sold to the Americans who gave it to the Israelis?
peterlee · M
@sree251 Basically it was a free gift to the Jewish people now under the terror of Stalin, so they could rebuild. They had been treated appallingly during and before the War. Let us never forget that.
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