DAYCARE vs WAR who will win

@Roundandroundwego red and blue are the same problem... i like sanders[media=https://youtu.be/G97wLyEK0fY]

@markinkansas effective politicians don't interest you? Failures only,?

@Roundandroundwego honest politicians do interest me.. ones who steal and cheat to win . not so much . however ya have to watch them for they will also steal from the ones that trust them.. are you a trump fan?

@markinkansas Sanders is extremely corrupt and I would not want him anywhere near real power. He threw his own election for a couple of fancy houses. Of course he is ultimately lazy. He was kicked out of the kibbutz because he wouldn't work. He makes great sound and fury but that is all.

@hippyjoe1955 please show me a link or two.. i will read them.

@markinkansas I am not going to spend the efforts to look up the sources of materials I read when Sanders was first running for office. It was too many years ago and it wouldn't change anything anyways. You're a socialist/communist and you like the rhetoric Sanders uses.

@hippyjoe1955 ok now tell me the difference between communist and and socialist . please

@markinkansas It is a spectrum. Fascists are a form of socialism. Communists are a form of socialism,

@hippyjoe1955 here ya go
Communism is a stateless, classless society where all property is publicly owned and resources are distributed based on need
. Socialism is a transitional economic system where the state or workers own the means of production, but allows for private property and distributes resources based on individual contribution.

@markinkansas Yeah no. Nice theory but in all practical senses communism is socialism in a hurry. It is all about the state. The state has complete control of everyone's life. Witness the communist Soviet Union. The communism of China under Mao and the communism under Pol Pot. Yes I know that the extremely evil Marx had some goofy ideas of mankind but that is never going to happen based on the nature of mankind.

@hippyjoe1955 no, really, socialism and fascism are contradictory ideologies. They're opposites. Without clarity, you're stuck. Politics is a social responsibility for all adults.

@Roundandroundwego They are two sides of one coin. They both believe in the supremacy of the state.

@hippyjoe1955 not really. The functions of the state are implied by the human rights for a socialist. The responsibility of the government to provide for the population stems from its right to be protected from hunger and poverty. The right to a clean environment implies that government Must control pollution. Etc.
For y'all right wingers, your next project is the project of your captured states, with businesses running your profitable wars and poor populations unable to access their rights to peace. Opposition. Different. But for the USA? Anything goes. All and nothing. Whatever.

@Roundandroundwego Lets cut the nonsense. There is no left right dichotomy. The fact is the farther right one moves the more you look like a leftist and the farther left you move the more you act like an extreme rightist. The fact is there are two competing ideals. One is the supremacy of the state and the other is the supremacy of the individual. You favour the mindless heartless Borg called the state. I prefer individuals and their individual initiative to make this world a better place. Having 'free' healthcare, daycare, seniors care, education primary secondary and post secondary is that the individuals become slaves of the state. Not only do you have 'free' daycare but you need free daycare because the mothers are all forced out to work to pay the taxes to pay for the free daycare.

@hippyjoe1955 ok. Don't use politics. Like I said, for such people who deny the responsibility to understand politics, it's whatever the mighty might do, however, everything, nothing, and both sides. You're getting what you would want! The destruction always made your oligarchs unbeatable throughout the world, you're ready for mass destruction so you can profit bigly. And that's a one trick pony Iran cannot afford not to take down for humanity.

@markinkansas In theory Communism is the best form of government possible. No billionaire class.......no poverty class. Only a middle class that works to support and feed themselves and others who would otherwise because of disabilities or age would be less fortunate otherwise.. The surplus goes into social support programs.......military, government operation, infrastructure, homeland security, care for the aged, the courts and legal system and police...........etc..........as it should.

In practice it is not that way because authoritarianism and power tends to give birth to dictators who take all they can......give nothing back.....end up persecuting the people, instead of governing them.....like this country is turning into under trump.

@Roundandroundwego Would you care to explain what you just posted. It doesn't seem to make sense to me. What do you think I am getting that I want?

@anythingoes477 nobody can say people have practiced Communism, and everyone knows USA battled against socialism globally and brutally and still does and always will!
Imperialism is opposed to socialism, globally and the USA Israel is completely isolated.

@hippyjoe1955 bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran, dominance, control exclusion of all who would cooperate. Western hegemony, politics off the table, green everything never happening - you know, the uniparty of neoliberal economics and the end of history. The status quo.

@Roundandroundwego Imperialism can be socialism or communism of empire. The US used socialism as a great satan to control its people as it welcomed socialism. Socialism allows wars. Communism begets wars as well. Humanity is fallen. It is not perfect able by human means anymore than you can lift yourself by pulling up on the handle of the bucket you are standing in.

@hippyjoe1955 no, imperialism is compatible with fascism. Sovereignty and respect for other countries is a far left responsibility of government.
Let's agree that in the West, you'll pull on the bucket handle because you're not going to use politics. No progress for your dead end section of mankind. The rest moved on. In the West you will war and attack forever. You're not going to stop the genocide. That's what isolated you.

@Roundandroundwego 100% of our society...all true democracies cannot function and does not function without socialism. Socialism is nothing more than services paid for by taxes collected on a society. From Roman times even...and before..... this has been the case. The problem with "socialism" is 99,9% of those that diss it would shit a brick if it all stopped...........because they are clueless what socialism actually is.

The ones the clueless elect who give them the bullshit promise of "if you elect me I will get rid of socialism"........wouldn't even want the job if it was not for all of the free tax paid perks legislators.........and presidents get.......courtesy of the tax pool. Military......police..courts system, FBI, CIA, highways......road maintenance........libraries.........the list is a mile long of things paid for out of the same exact tax pool that welfare and SNAP is paid out of.

@Roundandroundwego So tell that to a Romanian, Ukrainian etc who lived in the USSR. Socialism communism is an imperialist ideology. Those who hold it want to spread it. That is imperialism.

@anythingoes477 it's Also US law! Protection from poverty is the human right that implied the government responsibility to provide welfare. That's in the UN charter, and the US ratified that treaty. It's the law. Starting with the liars why deny and ignore, the USA has a problem with the truth, here!

@Roundandroundwego So you are saying the US is socialist?