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“Take the Strait of Hormuz. Use it for yourselves. The hard part is done, so it should be easy,” Donald Trump says.

The hard part was taking a bash on the hornets' nest. Now that they are in a frenzy and highly aggressive, Trump is telling Nato allies to go in and take the honey.

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, however, cautioned in a speech:
“I do have to level with people on this; this will not be easy.”

Ain't he brilliant?
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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Yeah Trump bashed the hornets nest, yet the U.N. saw the nest there decades ago. Yet never did anything but let it grow until it became a serious world problem.

Just because an idiot did something dumb, doesn't excuse the bystanders that ignored the problem.
Waveney · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer but it was never a “serious world problem” until Trump ripped up Obama’s treaty. And even then,if Iran was building a nuclear weapon (and there is no evidence it was doing that dating back to 2003) it would not have been stupid enough to use it against Israel.

This “serious world problem “ has been caused by two men acting unilaterally: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu means President Donald Trump.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Waveney Oh yes it was throughout the whole world. Even Russia had problems with Iran terrorism.

Why did you think Russia went into Afghanistan? So did China before that. The USA never learned the lesson from that.
Waveney · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer “was” being the operative word. There was no danger posed by Iran. There is now, of course. And that is trumps and Netanyahu’s fault. No wonder no-one else wants to get involved.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Waveney Fanaticism is obvious. Fanaticism is dangerous.

The world knows exactly what fanaticism can do. Hitler was a fanatic. And so were the Japanese.
Waveney · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer the world does indeed know about fanatics. We have not learned the lessons of the past, and we now have two fanatics who are destabilising the Middle East and the world economy: Netanyahu and Trump.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Waveney I was never for USA involvement in this insanity.

My position was always to blockade the whole middle east.

To do that requires world involvement and cooperation.
Waveney · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer why blockade the middle east? And what do you even mean by that?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Waveney What was done by the USA and later sanctioned by the UN with Israel after WWII should never have happened.

Yet once it was done, there's could only be one result. And that was to cut off everything from the whole region.

World sanctions then could have stopped it then. Not now.

Only a complete cut off from the rest of the world could resolve anything.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer
Only a complete cut off from the rest of the world could resolve anything.

What are you saying, DeWayfarer? Can you be explicit?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sree251 Sanctions alone have proven ineffective in a number of situations around the world.

That should be obvious.

The terrorism has gotten so bad though, everything would need to be cut off from the whole region. Let them settle it themselves. And when they want to become civilized, they will have drawn their own maps, that could be enforced by themselves.

Until then just keep everything cut off. No trade, no international travel, nothing. Not even world recognition.

They want to join the grown up world instead of being little kids, then let them settle it themselves.
Waveney · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer you’re making no sense.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Waveney And I suspect you never had a group of kids figure anything out themselves.

They will do so only if left alone.
Waveney · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer ok you’re insane. We’re done.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Waveney I was a kid once! And even I learned early the name calling does nothing!
sree251 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer
Why did you think Russia went into Afghanistan? So did China before that. The USA never learned the lesson from that.

Russia went into Afghanistan to deal with the mujahideen. The USA went after the taliban. China never attacked Afghanistan.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sree251 And they all were fanatics.

And you are wrong about China. China has their own Islamic problem still.

China indeed has ongoing challenges related to its Muslim population, particularly with regard to ethnic and religious minorities such as the Uyghurs in Xinjiang. The Chinese government has faced widespread criticism for its policies in the region, which include mass detentions, surveillance, and significant restrictions on religious practices.

Government Policies

The Chinese authorities describe their actions as part of a counter-terrorism strategy, citing concerns about extremism. However, numerous human rights organizations argue that these measures amount to cultural suppression and violations of basic human rights.

Social and Economic Impact

The situation has led to tensions both domestically and internationally, as various countries and organizations call for greater respect for human rights and religious freedoms in China.

China's engagement with Afghanistan was driven by concerns about Islamist extremism spilling into Xinjiang, that's correct: Beijing’s primary motive for deeper involvement has been security—preventing militant links, cross‑border radicalization, and the movement of Uyghur militants. Key points:

China increased attention to Afghanistan after 2001 when global jihadist networks and regional instability raised fears of militant influence reaching Xinjiang.

Throughout the 2000s–2010s Beijing pursued security cooperation (intelligence sharing, training, and border security) with Afghanistan and neighboring states to counter extremism.

After the 2021 Taliban takeover, China sought security guarantees from the Taliban to prevent Afghanistan becoming a base for militants targeting China or Xinjiang.

China frames its Xinjiang policies as counter‑terrorism; analysts see Beijing’s regional actions (including in Afghanistan) as driven largely by those security concerns.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer
And you are wrong about China. China has their own Islamic problem still.

China has no problem with Islam. The Hui people, is a Muslim ethnic group, a branch of Han Chinese. Islam in China has a 1400 year history. The Islamic problem you refer to is the radicalization of Uyghurs in Xinjiang Province by the CIA that has caused similar separatist insurrection in Tibet also.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sree251 take it up with ChatGPT 4.0 mini.

I only verified my statement above that.

The problem still exists!
sree251 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer
I only verified my statement above that.

The CIA is behind every insurrection in China. American Christian missionaries are constantly watched by the Chinese Government.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sree251 And China was oh so innocent of everything!

Please! I know of your Chinese biases from Long ago!