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Trump's war with Iran. Let the show begin.

China's 3 high tech warships have arrived and are in position in Iran: 2 destroyers and 1 spy ship.

The spy ship is an intelligence collection vessel that is equipped with antennas and electronic systems to track missile launches, including ICBMs from outside the conflict area. It extends the reach of land-based radar by overcoming geographic and curvature limitations and provides Iran with early warning if B2 bombers are deployed from Diego Garcia, Guam or Missouri. Equipped with sophisticated sensors, these ships collect telemetry data, monitor trajectories, and provide real-time C2 support for military operations. They can also enhance electronic intelligence (ELINT) and signals intelligence (SIGINT) capabilities by gathering information on adversary communications and radar emissions. The other 2 warships are destroyers packed with missiles to provide defense shield against threats from sea, land or air. They protect the spy ship.

Iran is no longer fighting a bully in the dark. The theatre of war is now floodlit.

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LeopoldBloom · M

Has anyone thought about the next government if the Islamic Regime falls? The mullahs have systematically eliminated any domestic opposition leaders. So what's the plan? Airdrop Mr. Pahlavi into downtown Tehran with a copy of "Forming a Government for Dummies?" Pahlavi has a lot of support in the Iranian diaspora but very little in the country itself.

I suspect that Trump has no intention of actually attacking Iran. Instead, he (or more likely, his advisors) is taking a page from Nixon's playbook by giving the impression that he's actually crazy enough to do it. If this is convincing enough, he can force the regime to agree to limits on nuclear weapons without firing a shot. Of course, I could be wrong and he might want a war to distract from the Epstein files.

I remember right before the Iraq War, there were all of these huge anti-war demonstrations, but so far, there's nothing. Do the American people not care if Trump starts a completely unnecessary and poorly thought-out war with Iran? Apparently they don't.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom Thats the problem. America has a history of leaving chaos behind it when they leave. And chaos that doesnt like America. But taking your question in another context. Has anyone thought of the government that is going to follow Donald Trump in America? It really doesnt matter all that much to the rest of the world. Having slashed the tyres on what was left of the Ford Edsel that was the US economy, America will fade into the sunset pretty quickly for the rest of us. Whether as a Oligarchic Theocracy under Stephen Millers anointed, or as a struggling semi socialist set of states, fighting to keep law and Order against bandit marauders pillaging like Vikings..😷

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sree251 · 41-45, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

Americans also have never gone up against a country with a real military since Vietnam so 99% of the population have no idea what they are going to be seeing if this kicks off.

Vietnam was gory and an absolute hell for American soldiers. Nearly 3 million of our poor suckers were sent there. The only protection they had was air cover, the only thing in the US tool bag against an invisible enemy. The Vietcongs had massive networks of underground tunnels throughout South Vietnam to operate directly under the nose of U.S. forces. Our soldiers came back either dead or badly mangled. That experience changed US military doctrine. We never again face the enemy in a man to man combat situation till the enemy has been pounded into dust from the air.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom

Iran will not fall. Israel tried to knock it down last June and got the fright of its existential life.

I suspect that Trump has no intention of actually attacking Iran. Instead, he (or more likely, his advisors) is taking a page from Nixon's playbook by giving the impression that he's actually crazy enough to do it. If this is convincing enough, he can force the regime to agree to limits on nuclear weapons without firing a shot. Of course, I could be wrong and he might want a war to distract from the Epstein files.

Trump is a showman and cares only about the Trump Brand. If there’s one thing he hates, it’s being made to feel unimportant. Trump wants an "in-and-out" quick fix. It's past high noon at OK Corral and the gunfight is over with no shots fired. The Iranians are snickering. Israel is fuming.

I remember right before the Iraq War, there were all of these huge anti-war demonstrations, but so far, there's nothing. Do the American people not care if Trump starts a completely unnecessary and poorly thought-out war with Iran? Apparently they don't.

Americans do care if Trump start messing with Iran. Trump will be summarily removed from office by Congress for putting American lives at risk in the Middle East. His bombing of Iran last June violated the War Powers Act. Another violation is the blockade of Venezuela and the capture of Maduro.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@sree251 And since really WW3 the US has not won a war since. War is horrific and the reality is the US population has no stomach for taking casualties. And Ironically even when trying to pound a near defenseless enemy from the air they still lost thousands during the GWOT because Americans also cannot accept defeat unless they have 20 years to decide to leave and declare a loss a win. The point is Americans don't have any idea what a war with someone who can shoot back looks like.

Northwest · M

@LeopoldBloom

Pahlavi has a lot of support in the Iranian diaspora but very little in the country itself.

Pahlavi has $s he's been spending on making it "seems" as if he nailed diaspora support, but the 450K who showed up the a rally in LA, were Jewish, driven by AIPAC recruitment, who will likely not extend their support beyond this initial thing, as well as secular Iranians and Iranian-Americans, who think "you want to replace Mullahs oppression with Savak oppression? Cool, sign me up."

You mean the treaty that was guaranteed by the US, Russian, Germany, France and China and he tore up when he took office for his first term. Because this is what he will announce: he "forced" the Mullahs to capitulate to his 5-D chess powers.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

And since really WW3 the US has not won a war since. War is horrific and the reality is the US population has no stomach for taking casualties. And Ironically even when trying to pound a near defenseless enemy from the air they still lost thousands during the GWOT because Americans also cannot accept defeat unless they have 20 years to decide to leave and declare a loss a win. The point is Americans don't have any idea what a war with someone who can shoot back looks like.

The real point is why are we even fighting anyone at all? We are protected by two oceans. Who would invade us militarily and for what reason? The real reason for war is our fear of losing control over the world. Our mindset is one of world domination to assure America's survival. The small guys will submit but the bigger guys won't.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@sree251 I agree. But the ruling class wants to be an empire.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

I agree. But the ruling class wants to be an empire.

We ARE an empire. American products are desired and found in practically every country on the planet. The US Dollar is world money. Modern China is more than happy to serve our every needs. I get a kick out of every China-made American brand item I find at Home Depot. No way we can make them at those prices. Trump wants them to set up manufacture in the US, and the Chinese are starting to do that just as the Japanese did back in the 80's making cars.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@sree251 Yes. The US is an empire. My point is though I don't believe a random person living in small town Idaho decided they wanted the USA to be an empire. The people in power did. The rest just get dragged along for the ride.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow And you had best believe that those people in power expect to run the empire to benefit themselves..😷

sree251 · 41-45, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

Yes. The US is an empire. My point is though I don't believe a random person living in small town Idaho decided they wanted the USA to be an empire. The people in power did. The rest just get dragged along for the ride.

The random American in small town USA was the foundational digit that made America great. Together, our creative innovations, ground-breaking inventions, and entrepreneurial drive grew the US economy after WW2 right to the present day. We had a moral ethic that enabled us to grow wholesome families and thriving honest businesses that became giants on the Fortune 500. The people in power are of a strange breed. They have no connection to the land.