California joins world health organization.

@hippyjoe1955 I dunno. We'll see at the next pandemic or the measles or tuberculosis coming back. You pick but California will likely be more prepared than others. Which is good for them since they are like a small country anyways.

@SatanBurger A few years ago measles was detected in a local store. Everyone was warned to stay clear. Everyone under a certain age. Anyone older than that had had measles as a kid and was thus immune. I had them as a kid and I am immune. Non vaxes me had COVID twice I have had much worse illnesses but haven't had a cold or flu since. A company that insisted all its staff get vaxes against COVID have had multiple outbreaks of COVID and cold an flu. A family from Ukraine moved to Canada. They got all the vaccines including measles etc when they landed in Canada. Two years later they all had the measles. hmmmmm so how does that work again?

@hippyjoe1955 How vaccines work:

Pathogen enters → Innate immunity (first responders) fights crudely while adaptive immunity (specialized B/T cells) learns the enemy and makes memory cells.

Vaccine skips the danger: Delivers harmless antigen (e.g., measles spike protein) → Body builds antibodies and memory without sickness.

Next exposure: Memory cells destroy germ before symptoms hit. No vaccine is 100%—they prevent severe illness, not always all infection.


Key point: Unvaccinated fuel outbreaks with 1 unvaxxed case infects 12-18 others.

Vaccinated cases don't spark epidemics.

This happens rarely (~2-5% breakthrough cases) because: No vaccine blocks 100%; MMR is 97% effective after 2 doses vs. severe measles.

Could be: First dose only (93% effective), waning immunity (rare), lab error, or mild case from vaccine strain (not wild virus).

@hippyjoe1955 I'm going to repeat this again:

Unvaccinated fuel outbreaks with 1 unvaxxed case [b]infects 12-18 others[/b].

Vaccinated cases don't spark epidemics.

@SatanBurger the vaxes don't work. We have medical evidence of it. The medical data shows that unvaxed people are significantly healthier than the vaxes. That is the result of exhaustive medical study by serious statisticians. I recently read a study conducted by a very pro vax doctor. He was shocked to find out that you are healthier if you don't get vaxed. The study was exhaustive. Thousands of individuals looked at. The data was extremely clear.

@hippyjoe1955 What is the study? If it's Hooker/Thomas, they used biased clinic data where vaxxed kids got checkups 3x more, inflating diagnoses.

Real studies like KiGGS (17k kids) show opposite: unvaxxed sicker with infections.

But I'd happy to read it if you share the link so I can look at it.

@hippyjoe1955 Furthermore, the study you might possibly use had:

Detection bias:

Vaccinated kids saw doctors 7x/year (routine visits), unvaxxed only 2x—leading to more diagnoses recorded, not more illness.

No controls for confounders:

Didn't adjust for income, access to care, breastfeeding, birth weight, or why parents skipped vax (often healthier/more holistic lifestyles).

Short follow-up/tiny samples:

Many unvaxxed tracked <15 months; conditions like asthma/autism diagnosed later. Hooker retracted twice for flaws.

@SatanBurger There are studies from around the world pointing out that vaxes don't work. I saw a recent one saying that getting a flu vax increases your risk of getting the flu. My mother and mother in law were confined to a dementia ward in their failing years. We would get the vaxed every year. Mom was in the ward for 6 years and every year she got the flu. My Mother in law was in the ward for 11 years. She got the flu every year. If the vax were effective surely one of the years they would have not had the flu. Nope every year we were kept out of the ward because of the flu. 13 years of flu vax did not protect those two wonderful ladies. The flu didn't kill them but they were not protected as we were promised.

@hippyjoe1955 I don't know about the study you speak of but we don't have children across America living in iron lungs like we did when I was a kid. Of course we seem to be heading back to those days.

@hippyjoe1955 do you have a link.

@SatanBurger I read without book marking or otherwise remembering the sites I visit. I usually find them on a related thread and having read them go back. I don't bother remembering the doctors names. They are not important to me. I have read other studies in favour of vaxes. I don't remember their names either. They are just not important to me. My personal reading is not an academic paper that I must cite my sources.

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