"She Ran Him Over" New Stills Showing Proof

@Charity there is video footage from multiple angles showing she was trying to avoid him, so it can be proven she was just trying to get away. In fact it is proven.

Their training is not to shoot the kill. It explicitly tells them not to shoot at fleeing suspects at all.

They should also be trained to work in chaos, as they cause that themselves.

What is your motive for justifying this and twisting the facts to do so?

@NerdyPotato



AND YOU SEEM TO COMPLETELY IGNORE MY FIRST COMMENT WAS THAT IT SEEMS SHE WAS TRYING TO GET AWAY.

I NEVER SAID SHE WAS TRYING TO HIT HIM, you don't understand what I wrote makes me wonder do you actually understand what you see or hear

I'm not trying to justify anything, and I haven't twisted anything around....... I'm stating what I saw and PROVIDED A VIDEO of what I saw as being what I saw.


They TOO are trained to use deadly force and deadly force means shoot to kill, if they feel their life is threatened. That is common knowledge, maybe not to some.


What to know about ICE use-of-force policy - ABC News https://share.google/24pMMLSCob05Z1xQm

Can ICE agents shoot at moving vehicles? Yes and no. | FOX 9 Minneapolis-St. Paul https://share.google/8XEQLgZuj0B2Uw8mh

She was not on foot fleeing.

And if they feel their life is threatened by a moving vehicle they can use deadly force / shoot to kill.

@Charity I agree with your point in principle.. However, as he seems to have fired at least one shot into her open side window as the car passed him, your idea of him being under attack by the vehicle doesnt hold water in this case..😷

@Charity sure, if they feel threatened. But he wasn't in her path, so that doesn't apply here. The training is clear: do not shoot at fleeing suspects. That Noem says otherwise only proves further that she's not qualified for her job.

@NerdyPotato

Again I have supplied their rules and you ignore it.

And because I am a honest person I speak honestly - in that situation with all the chaos going on with these ice agents and they're doings he may have actually felt his life was being threatened.

@Charity Ultimately it's not going to matter what or how he felt. The law focuses on whether or not your life is actually in danger when you defend it with deadly force.

It may not happen until the current Administration is long gone but this will eventually be decided in a court of law.

@Charity I am reminded of a similar trial earlier this year or last where a female police instructor was partnered with a new policeman. They were on routine patrol and spied a car with an expired license tag. At her trial she was asked or said that she probably would have let it go if she had been by herself.

But they stopped the car, the driver got anxious and attempted to flee. She meant to draw her taser and yelled, “Taser! Taser!” But pulled her service revolver and shot him twice (the infamous “double tap”).

Little doubt she meant to shoot him with the taser but reached to the wrong hip in the confusion & heat of the moment.

She was convicted and sentenced to prison time. I am uncertain what the exact charge(s) were.

@MoveAlong

I believe it will be decided at some point in court especially if her family continues to press for truth.

As I said on a other post or another person concerning this, the agent could have stepped out of the way if he thought he was going to be ran over whether deliberately or not - they had her information they could have came for her another time. They need to know when not to use deadly force.

And just from the past 15 years involving police officer shootings, ((not ice)), it has been some what hard to prove the officer's life wasn't in danger and whether or not the officer thought his life was in danger - the majority ((not all)) of the times the officers were not held accountable.

Hopefully they have video at all angles - especially the front angle, and those videos will be available.

@KunsanVeteran

I remember that case made the news daily. And she couldn't claim fear for her life as reason to use deadly force. One of the small percentages of convictions where deadly force / shoot to kill wasn't necessary.

My personal opinion then was ....... a trained officer knows where their taser is .......... a trained officer knows where their gun is ......... or they should know ........ if they don't know they shouldn't be on the force.

A taser and a gun = different weights different feel.

Now from what I saw of this ice officer he was standing in the front and he seemed to be a bit anxious, he moved a bit back and forth. The questions are was he preparing for her to flee or just full of tension? From what I saw they had ice agents spread out around the SUV.

@Charity Both the police case you quote and this ICE case highlight the extreme care required to screen and train these people . They are (right or wrong) doing a difficult dangerous job, supposedly for the public good..I think we can agree that in both cases, the selection and training failed and the public paid the price..😷

@Charity The ICE agents were a confused mess with no one person clearly in charge and no coordination.

From her perspective I would surmise she felt she was being swarmed by a crazed mob of disorganized, shouting, masked, and armed individuals and she was trying to comply.

@whowasthatmaskedman

I agree they are doing a difficult and in many cases far too dangerous job.

Today it's not like it was even 30 years ago and definitely prior to 30 years ago. People then generally did as instructed and in cases were abused by police force, not many cases reported back then of border patrol abusement.

People of today many don't comply and express their rights, which seems to irritate officers and for too many cases people try to use deadly force against officers so yes it is dangerous......... Which is why an officer may feel their life was in danger.

My personal feelings better training in determining when there are life or death situations is needed.

My personal feelings if a police officer even ice pulls me over, even in the days of yesteryear, I would comply, and these days it is better to comply because you don't know how they will react. Far too many cases where they deadly force and it is unnecessary when the person didn't comply.

It's a two-way street.

Haven't heard the details whether she resisted, the amount of resistance, the conversation. Still deadly force was not necessary.

I just saw a video taken from a different angle in the guardian newspaper and it shows ice agents having her blocked in, pulls up in the truck, gets out goes to her vehicle tries to open the door and she pulls off. As I thought she was trying to get away.

Trump administration unleashes torrent of untruths after woman shot dead by ICE | Trump administration | The Guardian https://share.google/wUqaBuNabPmyVedeA

@Charity I agree things are different now. And I hate to say it, but I think this "freedom" cult of Americans is at least partly to blame. Around my area, we have a responsibility to act legally and responsibility.. And our freedoms underpin that. Its not all about "I am free.. Get out of my way"😷