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Wait – plug in/portable solar panels are illegal? What’s a renter to do?



Photo above - 2015 film "The Martian". Astronaut Matt Damon learns that he will need to pay a $199 connect fee and wait weeks for inspections and permits before using his portable solar panel.

Disclaimer – the legality of portable and plug-in solar panels varies state by state. The MSN link below warns us what we're up against in California.

How would you like to save $500 (or more) annually on your electric bill? And reduce the need to build more and more electric plants, which will probably only be used to power AI data centers anyway? Well, portable panels are illegal in California. San Francisco (unofficial slogan: “be sure to wear some flowers in your hair”) has a litany of fees, permits, and inspections before you can use that Flex Solar 100W panel you ordered from Amazon (just $75. Price drop from $89).

Pacific Gas and Electric – the state controlled power monopoly - lobbied to have all those fees and regulations in place for renters with plug in panels. Right now the police might be scanning for portable solar panels on renters’ balconies, and file criminal charges. It's easy for cops to catch solar panel scofflaws, unlike shoplifters who can just run away.

Evidently PG&E is worried that if enough people use plug-in panels to power their portable space heaters the company could lose big money. At least that’s what they convinced legislators and regulators.

San Francisco is now considering a bill to restore free access to the sun. If this new bill passes, you will no longer have to interconnect your dinky panel to PG and E's 10 gazillion watt grid, wait weeks for inspections and permits, and pay a connect fee. Hooray, right?

The real problem here is that California’s politicians think they can solve their budget fiascos by taxing anything and everything. They just put a new $15 battery tax in place on January 1st. It applies to things like (smart phones, laptops, tablets, etc).

So . . . i have to pay a fee to collect sunlight, and another tax just to own the battery? Only someone diabolically evil could come up with a scheme like this.

I’m just sayin’ . . .


California bill would help renters lower electricity bills by easing rules for plug-in solar panels
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Gee... Anyone would think the government were on the side of the power companies.. I contrast, an item on our news just yesterday said that a recent blast of hot weather had failed to produce any of the expected spikes in demand for electricity, due to the slack being taken up by the solar panels installed in one home in three in Australia.. After two 40C plus days, my power consumption never moved at all..And I dont have a battery. My bill is too low to justify the cost..😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida Sorry. Your opening statement is a terminological Inexactitude. And even if it were true, think it through. Half the board of the FED are former directors of Goldman Sachs. If they were to hold opinions based on their politics, exactly who do you think they would favour.?
And please. Dont get me started on the intelligence in the White House. You arent going to win that one, no matter how long we arm wrestle..😷
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@whowasthatmaskedman you attribute a view to me which i NEVER made. I don't assert that Fed board governors - whether from Goldman Sachs or Harvard or any other place - are basing their rate decisions based on political affiliation.

i'm pointing out that the long term pattern of fed rate actions is to serve up rate cuts in a presidential election year. no matter which party controls the white house going into the election.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida I certainly did not wish to put words in your mouth. I did express the opinion as a hypothetical. "IF" ex directors of Goldman Sachs were to be swayed, which way do you think ex Wall st bankers would lean? To the Left or Right..😷
beckyromero · 36-40, F
We should be giving tax credits to those who install solar panels and another tax credit if they purchase a battery system (for nighttime use). Property owners shouldn't have to be give back excess power only to have it shut off when the grid goes down.

Homeowners and businesses having their own independent power sources are insurance against terrorist attacks, natural disasters and grid failure during storms or ice events.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@SusanInFlorida

That depends on each individual rental agreement. Some tenants pay for utilities; others do not.

Landlords who do pay for electric bills could benefit. And those that don't could offer it as an incentive to their prospective tenants.

I look at it as both a national security issue and an environmental issue to limits the use of fossil fuels that power our electric plants. Nuclear power would be an alternative, but the term itself is, well, politically radioactive.
exchrist · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida why should some blessed enough to have millions of dollars be allowed to declare bankruptcy multiple times getting loans on foreclosed properties? If a person has millions of dollars why mortgage something.
Also the tax payer has subsidized that individuals poor financial choices for generations to reduce their suffering and liability
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@exchrist i mostly agree. the bankruptcy laws are a morass of contradictions intended to be politically self serving:

1 - you can file an unlimited number of bankruptcies in your lifetime

2 - you can stay in the CEO chair after bankruptcy, in many situations

3 - government debt (like student loans) cannot be discharged via bankruptcy. if it could, lenders would have proceeded more cautiously
exchrist · 36-40
So a best practice from the east coast is “net metering” power produced beyond what is used is reimbursed to the producer of the energy surplus. The surplus is transferred to the next most proximitous electricity consumer. there is a service charge (the equivalent of a sales tax per kilowatt sold, which is subtracted from the amount to be paid to the producer of excess).
My point is how is there a shortage of electricity accompanied by black and brown outs at the same time there is excess electricity being produced from renewable sources?
MethDozer · M
@exchrist gravity and springs be damned you cant get more energy than you put in. Perpetual motion is not real.
exchrist · 36-40
@MethDozer yet the earth with forever rotate around the sun? And the oceans will forever have high/low tide and waves, the wind will always blow and earth to produce plants to be decayed into dirt again. Are you so sure perpetual motion isn’t real? It isn’t more energy out it’s just harnessing the energy that already exists. Converting from one form to another then back again.
MethDozer · M
@exchrist 🤦🏻 omg.
Taxes are out of control everywhere., incomes are stagnant while prices and taxes constantly increase..
it’s unsustainable and a collapse is inevitable..
we’re looking at a deflationary depression or hyperinflation (which the Fed would prefer) either way it’s coming in just a few years unless we experience some kind a Black Swan event
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Telcontar i'm awful at predicting black swans. i thought kidnapping venezuelas dictator and seizing control of their energy might be a "black swan event"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Swan:_The_Impact_of_the_Highly_Improbable

this book was quite popular a few years ago. Even President Obama endorsed it, and wrote a fly piece promo for it. Which probably proves he didn't read most of it.
3Dogmatic · 51-55
Follow the money…
SW-User
False.

Plug in/portable solar panels are not illegal in California.
MethDozer · M
@SusanInFlorida There is no link. You never post links
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FloorGenAdm · 51-55, M
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