Have you noticed that it has become socially acceptable to tell poor people how to spend their money…
…yet when we tell rich people to stop hoarding money/pay their workers fairly, the response is always, “It’s their money!”
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DogMan · 61-69, M
Poor people are poor because they do not know how to handle money, or live a prosperous life.
You can pretend the rich took advantage of them, but you would be wrong little fella.
I was poor, and I worked alongside homeless people. I have drank with them, I know how they think.
I also know what it takes to be prosperous, some people need to be taught. I didn't.
The ones that need help are the women with kids that had the father take off.
You can pretend the rich took advantage of them, but you would be wrong little fella.
I was poor, and I worked alongside homeless people. I have drank with them, I know how they think.
I also know what it takes to be prosperous, some people need to be taught. I didn't.
The ones that need help are the women with kids that had the father take off.
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G7J2O · M
@DogMan Your argument is just ego wrapped in anecdote, little fella.
One person escaping poverty proves nothing except luck and timing.
Millions work full time and still cannot afford rent, healthcare, or childcare. Budgeting does not fix low wages or predatory costs.
Claiming you know how they think is arrogance, not insight.
You excuse broken systems because it feels good to feel superior.
Poverty is an economic condition, not a personality flaw, and your smugness does not change the math.
One person escaping poverty proves nothing except luck and timing.
Millions work full time and still cannot afford rent, healthcare, or childcare. Budgeting does not fix low wages or predatory costs.
Claiming you know how they think is arrogance, not insight.
You excuse broken systems because it feels good to feel superior.
Poverty is an economic condition, not a personality flaw, and your smugness does not change the math.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@G7J2O You could not be more wrong. Luck and Timing? 🤣 How about working one full time and two part time jobs for years
on end to stay out of debt? You obviously have not achieved much and you are making excuses for yourself.
That being said, I will read your BS tomorrow, as I am leaving the office for the day. 😁
on end to stay out of debt? You obviously have not achieved much and you are making excuses for yourself.
That being said, I will read your BS tomorrow, as I am leaving the office for the day. 😁
G7J2O · M
@DogMan Wow, working three jobs just to stay afloat. That's not success, it is failure dressed up as pride. If hard work alone fixed poverty, people working nonstop would all be rich, right?
They are not.
Saying “I suffered so you should too” is bitterness, little fella. Avoiding debt by exhaustion is survival. Calling reality “excuses” does not make the math disappear. Low wages and high costs break people, not laziness, and your story does not change that.
They are not.
Saying “I suffered so you should too” is bitterness, little fella. Avoiding debt by exhaustion is survival. Calling reality “excuses” does not make the math disappear. Low wages and high costs break people, not laziness, and your story does not change that.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@G7J2O Do you know what debt is? I did that long enough to be debt free. It's what responsible people do.
I won't tell you how much I make now, you wouldn't believe me anyway. People who have debt, really have nothing.
All 3 of my houses are paid off, also all of my motorcycles, cars, and trucks. I have ZERO debt through hard work.
I won't tell you how much I make now, you wouldn't believe me anyway. People who have debt, really have nothing.
All 3 of my houses are paid off, also all of my motorcycles, cars, and trucks. I have ZERO debt through hard work.
G7J2O · M
@DogMan So you worked yourself to the bone, got lucky with timing or opportunities, and now you have stuff. Congrats. Fantastic.
Doesn't change anything. Owning houses and vehicles does not prove that everyone else is lazy or bad with money. Millions work hard and still get crushed by medical bills, rent, or layoffs. Debt is not about irresponsibility, it is about surviving in a system that pays too little and charges too much. If you think it IS about irresponsibility then you were also irresponsible for getting into debt yourself.
Your bragging proves your luck and circumstance, not some moral superiority.
Anyway, you successfully deflected away from my original post. Do you believe, in that case, poor people should be told how to spend their money?
Doesn't change anything. Owning houses and vehicles does not prove that everyone else is lazy or bad with money. Millions work hard and still get crushed by medical bills, rent, or layoffs. Debt is not about irresponsibility, it is about surviving in a system that pays too little and charges too much. If you think it IS about irresponsibility then you were also irresponsible for getting into debt yourself.
Your bragging proves your luck and circumstance, not some moral superiority.
Anyway, you successfully deflected away from my original post. Do you believe, in that case, poor people should be told how to spend their money?
BrandNewMan · 61-69, M
@G7J2O The truth is their own poor choices break most people. They lock themselves into the wages that go with a lack of education or skills. I've seen too many make the right choices and over come their circumstances to accept the majority of others can't.
If nothing else, military /national guard service and the GI Bill Benefits combined with community college or the skilled trades can lay a base to build from.
If nothing else, military /national guard service and the GI Bill Benefits combined with community college or the skilled trades can lay a base to build from.
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DogMan · 61-69, M
@Reason10And the ONLY way government should be involved is if the mothers reveal the identity and location of the father. Government can go after the deadbeat and FORCE him to pay child support, married or not. State statutes all have provisions for child support, married or not.
Oh Absolutely. I knew a guy years ago that had a wife and 5 kids. He was a gambler, wife kicked him out. This was the
early 80's before pay was garnished for child support. Every payday she waited at the office, as soon as he got his check
she went to the bank with him, or he would gamble it away. Eventually they started taking the money out of his check, and
he basically had nothing left, and decided being homeless and doing cash day work was better than 40 hours for nothing.
The homeless society has a lot of these guys, not to mention criminals that are living under the radar.
Oh Absolutely. I knew a guy years ago that had a wife and 5 kids. He was a gambler, wife kicked him out. This was the
early 80's before pay was garnished for child support. Every payday she waited at the office, as soon as he got his check
she went to the bank with him, or he would gamble it away. Eventually they started taking the money out of his check, and
he basically had nothing left, and decided being homeless and doing cash day work was better than 40 hours for nothing.
The homeless society has a lot of these guys, not to mention criminals that are living under the radar.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@BrandNewMan
BrandNewMan · 61-69, M
@G7J2O The truth is their own poor choices break most people. They lock themselves into the wages that go with a lack of education or skills. I've seen too many make the right choices and over come their circumstances to accept the majority of others can't.
If nothing else, military /national guard service and the GI Bill Benefits combined with community college or the skilled trades can lay a base to build from.
Great answer. Show me any homeless person, and I will show you years of bad decisions every day.
From working alongside homeless people that the majority hate responsibility, they DO NOT like to be
told what to do. Most are living the life they purposefully made for themselves. They are actually the
freest people in the country. They do what they want to do every day.
BrandNewMan · 61-69, M
@G7J2O The truth is their own poor choices break most people. They lock themselves into the wages that go with a lack of education or skills. I've seen too many make the right choices and over come their circumstances to accept the majority of others can't.
If nothing else, military /national guard service and the GI Bill Benefits combined with community college or the skilled trades can lay a base to build from.
Great answer. Show me any homeless person, and I will show you years of bad decisions every day.
From working alongside homeless people that the majority hate responsibility, they DO NOT like to be
told what to do. Most are living the life they purposefully made for themselves. They are actually the
freest people in the country. They do what they want to do every day.
G7J2O · M
@DogMan @BrandNewMan So we've got off the topic here. Have you noticed that it is socially acceptable to tell poor people how to spend their money?
DogMan · 61-69, M
@G7J2O Yes, it should be acceptable to tell them how to spend the money they were given? We are not talking about
money they EARN, we are talking about money they were "Given"
Would you give money to a homeless guy knowing he would buy drugs or booze? It's the same thing.
Why would you give food stamps to someone that does not use it for "Nutrition"? SNAP uses that word
for a reason.
Do you want to be responsible for people on SNAP getting diabetes and using free healthcare?
SNAP should be used only for nutritional food.
money they EARN, we are talking about money they were "Given"
Would you give money to a homeless guy knowing he would buy drugs or booze? It's the same thing.
Why would you give food stamps to someone that does not use it for "Nutrition"? SNAP uses that word
for a reason.
Do you want to be responsible for people on SNAP getting diabetes and using free healthcare?
SNAP should be used only for nutritional food.
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BrandNewMan · 61-69, M
@G7J2O IF the money in question is money given in terms of social aid paid by my taxes .. I absolutely support there being some curbs on how the money is used. If they earn money in addition, I'm ok with there being some restrictions on how its spent in order to qualify for tax payer funded benefits.
I spent years subject to random drug testing to earn a living and pay the taxes that support public aid. I support those receiving it being subject to the same testing requirements in order to qualify and retain on-going qualification for such aid.
What else ya got?
I spent years subject to random drug testing to earn a living and pay the taxes that support public aid. I support those receiving it being subject to the same testing requirements in order to qualify and retain on-going qualification for such aid.
What else ya got?
G7J2O · M
@BrandNewMan I get the feeling you and @DogMan are alts.
Still, ‘It’s my tax money’ doesn’t give you a remote control over other people’s lives. That’s not how taxes work. Otherwise childless people could defund schools and healthy people could opt out of Medicare.
Welfare already has restrictions. What you’re asking for is moral surveillance NOT accountability. And it’s been tried obviously. Drug testing aid recipients costs more than it saves, catches almost nobody, and mostly punishes kids.
‘I was drug tested at work’ isn’t the gotcha you think it is. Most high paying jobs aren’t drug tested at all. Yet we somehow trust defense contractors, banks, and corporations with billions in public money without peeing in a cup. Funny how the scrutiny only starts when the recipient is poor #amiright?
And restricting how people spend their own earned money to keep benefits? Wow, you da man! You’ve just designed a system that discourages work and traps people on aid longer.
This isn’t about protecting taxpayers. If it were, we’d drug test politicians, contractors, and subsidy soaked corporations first. This is about policing poverty. Calling it ‘fairness’ doesn’t make it smarter.
What else ya got?
Still, ‘It’s my tax money’ doesn’t give you a remote control over other people’s lives. That’s not how taxes work. Otherwise childless people could defund schools and healthy people could opt out of Medicare.
Welfare already has restrictions. What you’re asking for is moral surveillance NOT accountability. And it’s been tried obviously. Drug testing aid recipients costs more than it saves, catches almost nobody, and mostly punishes kids.
‘I was drug tested at work’ isn’t the gotcha you think it is. Most high paying jobs aren’t drug tested at all. Yet we somehow trust defense contractors, banks, and corporations with billions in public money without peeing in a cup. Funny how the scrutiny only starts when the recipient is poor #amiright?
And restricting how people spend their own earned money to keep benefits? Wow, you da man! You’ve just designed a system that discourages work and traps people on aid longer.
This isn’t about protecting taxpayers. If it were, we’d drug test politicians, contractors, and subsidy soaked corporations first. This is about policing poverty. Calling it ‘fairness’ doesn’t make it smarter.
What else ya got?
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DogMan · 61-69, M
@BrandNewMan Ok I enjoy the banter, but I'm off work for the day. I have a life to live. See ya tomorrow.
BrandNewMan · 61-69, M
@DogMan Its late lunch time for me .. but I hear you. Nothing is going to get through w this pinhead.
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BrandNewMan · 61-69, M
@G7J2O Lol .. what a PITA
G7J2O · M
@BrandNewMan And with that, I know you're out of moves :)
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