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Hot take: both sides of the political isle have more in common than (social) media makes it seem

The bottom line, I think, is that we're all afraid to lose freedoms. And both sides already have lost freedoms, so the fear that this will continue is valid for both sides.

We can argue that some losses were/are more impactful than others, that some perceived dangers are more realistic than others, and that the motivation to object change is different. But in the end we're all afraid for things to get worse and are desperate to warn others and prevent that.

I don't know where to go from there, but can we at least agree we have this much in common and both just want things to get better, regardless of how each of us defines that?
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I agree. All over the world, the cost of living is too high, people can’t afford healthcare, pensions aren’t enough, housing. It’s all over. I’m watching-the French protests as we speak. People are tired. What’s to become of us all, our kids?
@TangledUpInBlue yep, and we're all in this together. So it would help all of us if we worked on a solution instead of pointing fingers who may or may not have caused it. How we got here isn't going to change how we get out of it.
@NerdyPotato best thing I’ve read on the inter webs in a while. I agree.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
That wholly depends on region and the political climate though.

I mean yeah, in healthy democracies like the Scandinavian countries or the Netherlands (with a few notable extremist parties being the exception).

However, in the case of the US, you now have a centre-right party and a far-right party.
The Democrats keep trying to find common ground with Republicans, but it creates a false middle where the Republicans move further right and the Democrats try to engage with that shifting the overton window further right.

I have no issue working with or debating actual conservatives. But reactionaries are a different story. I'll debate whether we should spend more on infrastructure vs education.
I won't debate whether PoC and LGBT deserve civil rights. The former is debate, the latter os attempting a human rights violation.
HiFiRaver · 18-21, M
At an even more basic level, I think most of us are just trying to live our lives, day to day, without trouble. When you think of it that way, it’s harder to justify wanting to make someone else’s life difficult.
@HiFiRaver there's certainly differences too, but let's take it one step at a time and start with understanding each other.
HiFiRaver · 18-21, M
@NerdyPotato Unfortunately for many, politics is about making sure the people you don’t like are suffering. I think when we break out of that vindictive mindset we can have a better society. I don’t know how possible that is, but I have to believe it can happen 🤷🏼‍♂
TurtlePink · 22-25, F
The thing about the US politics is that there’s 2 main parties and it seems like there’s this strong winner takes it all dynamic and that only makes things more polarizing for us and it reduces the chance for either side to find common ground. And it doesn’t help that social media in the US is segmented and algorithm-driven on purpose.
TurtlePink · 22-25, F
@NerdyPotato yes, we should all be working together to improve the system. But I feel like some people are just deeply invested in their side and don’t want that I mean, even agreeing that our system needs improvement can be seen as controversial to Republicans.
@TurtlePink there will be people like that, but I strongly believe the group that wants more choice is way, way bigger.
TurtlePink · 22-25, F
@NerdyPotato definitely! Now the challenge is just getting that big group to act together instead of staying quiet or discouraged and there needs to be a way to silence the people who are loud and extreme who make it easy to rally people up with anger than around structural reform.
Infamous607 · 51-55, M
@NerdyPotato
It is is implied that that's your sentiment.
We can argue this or argue that but we want the same. Fir things to get better. No. Both sides do not want for things to get better.
Infamous607 · 51-55, M
@NerdyPotato
Ok.
Seems like winning this is more important to you than to me.
@Infamous607 if you think I want there to be a winner (and therefore automatically a loser) you haven't understood a word of my initial post. Anyway, goodnight!
Infamous607 · 51-55, M
@NerdyPotato
That's
Goodnight Sir !
To you
I think this idea of centrism of finding common ground has run it's course and has proven that it is just a slow march to fascism instead of flying off the cliff. Because the centre is conveniently always to the right of where we started.


And the fundamental problem that cannot be resolved is only one side believes rights and freedoms are the birthright exclusive to their in group from the monarchists all the way down to modern "conservatism."
@NerdyPotato These are not positions you can negotiate with from a position of logic and reason.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow good point. It's hard to argue with something people consider divine...
@NerdyPotato To be clear I wish things were different.
Sure, but the rub is better for who?

Some folks are concerned about "our freedom," while others are just, or almost entirely, or even mostly concerned about "mah freedom."
@MistyCee true, true. Understanding that collective freedom improves individual freedom is a good next step.
@NerdyPotato IMO, we pretty much made that step as soon as we started sleeping in nearby trees and hunting together, but a lot of folks seem to want to go back (regress) to a time when one caveman grabbed any woman he wanted by the short hair, tricked others to hunt for him, and then punished them if they complained.
BohoBabe · M
That's just not true. Trump has lost support among normies, but he's gained support from people who identify as conservative Republicans. There is no moderate Right in America anymore.
BohoBabe · M
@NerdyPotato If by "demographics," you mean ethnicity, gender, age, things like that, then yes he's down with everyone. But when it comes to the Right, he's up because he's doing what modern Fascists want. Or at least Stephen Miller is, but he's doing it through Trump.
@BohoBabe damn, you seem to be correct. Still very high approval within his own party. We're doomed, aren't we?
BohoBabe · M
@NerdyPotato Well the good news is that normies are turning against MAGA, now that they realize we weren't overreacting when we said it's a fascist movement. If America still has elections going forward, the Republicans will get their cheeks clapped.
I do think there are a lot of normie Conservatives who are pretty moderate. They're the kind of people who say things like, I don't like all this woke stuff, but I work with a gay guy and he's cool. Those are the people we can win over.
A valid and timely observation.
Infamous607 · 51-55, M
No. Both sides do not want the same things. If they did we wouldn't be in this situation.
@Infamous607 agreed. That's why I didn't claim that.
tobynshorty · 51-55, F
When you say both sides who are you referring to?
tobynshorty · 51-55, F
@NerdyPotato So you are having the same problems in your country?
@tobynshorty yes, though I think growing division is a global problem to be honest.
@NerdyPotato I agree

 
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