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I May Be Left-Wing, But This Is Nonsense. The Left Have Went Too Far This Time.

I never liked Charlie Kirk. Let’s get that out of the way. His politics were the polar opposite of mine. I found his rhetoric shallow, his worldview cruel, and his movement toxic. But you know what? None of that matters right now.

Because Charlie Kirk is dead. Shot. Killed around his family. A young man who had just started building a life, just started a family, just begun to really live—gone. And people, my people, the so-called “compassionate” left, are laughing.

What in the hell is going on?

Since when did death become a punchline? Since when did we become so wrapped up in ideology that the loss of human life is a joke to us? Did we not come from a tradition that preached peace and love? Did we not once dream of a world without violence, without cruelty, without this endless cycle of vengeance?

If this is left-wing, then I want no part of it.

I’ve watched friends on the left clap their hands, make memes, and snicker like schoolchildren at a funeral. You think that’s progress? You think that’s liberation? No—that’s barbarism in a different outfit. That’s cruelty hiding under a red flag instead of a blue one.

Charlie Kirk and I had nothing in common ideologically. But he was a husband, a son, a father. A human being. And he did not deserve to die like that. His family did not deserve to watch him bleed out. And anyone who celebrates that is not left-wing, not progressive, not revolutionary—they’re just sick.

We used to chant “make love, not war.” We used to say “power to the people.” We used to mean it when we said we wanted peace, compassion, justice. What happened to that? What happened to building a better world, instead of becoming exactly what we claimed to hate?

Something has gone wrong on the modern left. And if we don’t face it, if we don’t cut this rot out from within, then we are no better than the very forces we fight.

This isn’t justice. This isn’t progress. This is cruelty dressed up as politics.

And I, a lifelong leftist, will say it loud: laughing at Charlie Kirk’s death is nonsense. It is shameful. And if you’re one of the ones who finds joy in this, then you’ve lost the plot.

Because humanity must come before politics. Always.
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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
I think that if you wanna point fingers at how we got here, start with Charlie Kirk.

Turning Point USA is MASSIVELY influential. Its entire brand is circulating outrage-bait. The point is to make people mad and get them to identify and blame specific people groups for everything. This in turn lead to not only state crackdowns as we see troops in the street and people being kidnapped in broad daylight by secret police, but random acts of political violence like the killings of John Huffman and Melissa Hortman. This is not an accident.

At every turn, Kirk's entire game was to amplify the outrage, stoke the political division, and embrace and encourage violence. He did so through a mix of outrage bait, dog whistling, and leading questions. Charlie Kirk was a provocateur, and his provocations are a vital part of the movement that have led to deaths. He was literally trying to frame trans people as a social threat when he died. The message? Get rid of the trans people. Their lives fucking matter and he wanted them gone.

As someone who is extremely left wing and a union activist, I know full well that if I was killed, he would celebrate my death. He campaigned against empathy itself because his entire goal was to break the bonds that make us human in pursuit of raw power.

He was killed by his own creation. It's fitting and he deserved it. I see no need for me to manufacture some kind of concern out of decorum. Fuck that fake performance. I'm glad he's dead and that he died like he did.
weirdbeatnik · 26-30, M
@CountScrofula and you're no better then the alt-right you might as well just call yourself alt -right at this point he was young he had a family what he just started for crying out loud do you actually hear yourself right now???? you are not a leftist you're just a blue meanie at this point
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@CountScrofula You should probably leave again Dave. You're not handling this well.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@weirdbeatnik Left wing politics are about collectivist approaches to solving social issues of poverty inequality etc. Performative decorum is optional.

Showing respect for Charlie Kirk is falling into a trap. The entire movement is about a destruction of decorum, bipartisanship, and playing by rules and norms. Again, he campaigned against empathy itself. Everything is now about power.

When your political movement is hostile to the very concept of human decency, but it is suddenly demanded when one of their own dies, it is a game of power and control. They want to own you.

If you sob over Charlie Kirk in a way they will not for anyone on your side, you are letting them control things. They will demand things of you they will never do themselves.

Charlie Kirk's life had no greater value than an innocent man being executed by the state. Or a child in Gaza. Or an unarmed person executed by police. Or a woman denied a life-saving abortion. Or an undocumented immigrant who dies of disease in a concentration camp.
Ynotisay · M
@weirdbeatnik What did that person say that wasn't true?
TurtlePink · 22-25, F
weirdbeatnik · 26-30, M
@CountScrofulaYou’re playing hopscotch with the Blue Meanies now—kicking peace like a football, juggling hate like jellybeans, and calling it justice when it’s only jive. The music stops when you clap for death, the colors fade when you laugh at life. That’s not left, that’s not right—it’s just a Meanie masquerade, a parade of grey in Pepperland.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
weirdbeatnik · 26-30, M
@CountScrofulaYou know, leftism used to be about peace and love. About freedom, individualism, and letting your freak flag fly. It was about questioning authority, rejecting war, and standing up for empathy and creativity.

Now, it feels like something’s shifted. Leftists used to say war was evil, that we had to stop it at all costs. Today, some talk like war is a “necessary evil.” And I’m not saying the right doesn’t have its problems—of course it does—but here’s the thing: life has problems, and we all navigate them differently.

I may not agree with everything conservatives say, but I can see why more and more leftists are turning toward them. It’s because modern leftism has drifted from its original ideals. Meanwhile, many centrist conservatives are surprisingly more liberal or left-leaning on real human values—empathy, creativity, respect for others—than their supposed counterparts.

The point is simple: leftism should be about love, freedom, and individual expression, not cruelty, division, or ideology over humanity. It’s time to remember what the movement was actually supposed to stand for.
weirdbeatnik · 26-30, M
@CountScrofula Hey, just to clarify what I meant by the “Blue Meanies” — I was referencing the villains from Yellow Submarine, trying to channel my hero John Lennon a bit. They’re basically joyless, hate-spreading bullies, and I was using it as a metaphor for people who cheer cruelty while pretending it’s left-wing.
Ynotisay · M
@weirdbeatnik "You know, leftism used to be about peace and love." Dude. Your 26-30. You have NO connection to what it "used to be." Romanticizing something you read in a book doesn't make it true.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@weirdbeatnik If you think leftism is peace and love you really need to learn some history man.

You gained the right to the 8 day work day because people threw dynamite.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@CountScrofula Couldn't have said it any better.
Aami1 · 26-30, F
@CountScrofula "As someone who is left wing, you should blame the right wing person for his own murder, as he engaged in opinions I don't like". Naturally. This is why the rest of the world doesn't like leftists.
TurtlePink · 22-25, F
TurtlePink · 22-25, F
Aami1 · 26-30, F
@TurtlePink I'm not interested in your skin colour, nor cartoons.
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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@TurtlePink Thanks I needed these lol
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
Aami1 · 26-30, F
@SatanBurger Sweet, "look, he said these words so violence is okay". This is why the rest of us don't like leftists.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@Aami1 Your refusal to understand the very basic ideas being talked about here is kinda blowing my mind. Watching you argue is fascinating.
Aami1 · 26-30, F
@CountScrofula I don't mind, I'm glad people see you leftist murderer apologist for who you are :)