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Charlie Kirk

For the record, I'm a conservative and christian but if I were American I'd never be a Trump supporter. This recent posting on Youtube says it all for me. Good one to watch

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calicuz · 56-60, M
Yes, there is a difference between MAGA Republican Christianity, and legitimate Christianity.
True Christianity would never make a person choose a political party, nor would true Christianity be calling other Christians, "Woke Christians."

MAGA has literally reduced Christianity, and Jesus Christ, to a political ideology.
swirlie · 31-35
@calicuz
But there's a vast difference between MAGA Republicans and Charlie Kirk & Company.

Charlie Kirk's cult following are far-right, evangelical extremists who support White Supremacy and also believe that it's okay if people are killed as collateral damage when some American patriot is exercising his 2nd Amendment Rights.

Trump's MAGA-Republican base however, are not far-right evangelical extremists, though further to the right than closer to the center.

In fact, Trump's base are comprised of un-employed, un-educated, White males who were born and raised in the USA, only 60% of whom have graduated high school, a group who have been marginalized in American society and thus form the minority of minority groups in their own country, who hold a social status below that of Black, college/university-educated American women if we want to talk about the pecking order of minorities in America.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@swirlie Does it matter Swirlie? Who has the power in that movement... have you been paying attention?

Because of the voting system, it's just better to organise and form coalitions. Which eventually leads you to two strong parties and groups that don't want to make the compromises that other ideologically motivated groups did to join the coalition. However, within every large coalition, there is always a dominant faction that takes the party towards elections.

Before the last presidential election, that strong faction was also a coalition of authoritarian figures. How I see it, the most dominant parts were: Christian Nationalists (The coalition concerning the 2025 project from the Herritage foundation and imo the strongest faction), Racists (the Stephen Miller Gang) and the Tech-Bro's (Peter Thiel, Elon Musk types that delivered the VP). Those last guys, are already putting themselves on the background because they have the least overlap with the Christian-Nationalist faction.

All those low information voters:

- People that voted for the republican party, because they (and the family they grew up in) have always done
- Undecided voters that made a last moment choice

Are just enablers to the larger project. They had 1 or 2 issues in mind when they voted, or were just stuck in a habbit because they became partisans. At the end of the day, they still voted for a project, that Charlie promoted.

That Christian Nationalist faction? It's been measured several times... it pretty big, depending on the time of measurements, you have numbers between 28-33 percent of the entire American poppulation. (SOURCE: The Flag and the Cross: White Christian Nationalism and the Threat to American Democracy (2022) by Perry & Gorski And we also know from earlier studies, that one of the definiening features of the Republican party today, is authoritarianism (SOURCE: Authoritarianism and Polarization in American Politics (2009) by Hetherington & Weiler).

Trump's MAGA-Republican base however, are not far-right evangelical extremists, though further to the right than closer to the center.

That the majority of Trumps' base is closer to the center? ... NOTHING that I've read in the last 10 years backs up that idea. In fact, even in 2016-2020, center right figures were branded "RHINO" and got primaried/ousted by MAGA-loyalists. Those low information voters, that's the minority, that's the little push that is needed to beat the other party in close elections. That's why there are so many dogwhistles, because if Trumps' team was open, the NAZI soldiers wouldn't be faded out in the background in pictures like this:



In fact, Trump's base are comprised of un-employed, un-educated, White males who were born and raised in the USA, only 60% of whom have graduated high school, a group who have been marginalized in American society and thus form the minority of minority groups in their own country, who hold a social status below that of Black, college/university-educated American women if we want to talk about the pecking order of minorities in America.

... who are voting for a white-christian-nationalist program. There is no excuse after the attempted coup in 2020. There is 0 excuse Swirlie. All these people voted for that person, that tried to steal an election by force. They get no sympathy from me. To be a citizen, means to educate yourself on the issues and then vote for the best candidate. These people all failed the test.
swirlie · 31-35
@Kwek00
You need to start paying attention to what's written and by whom, there Kwek00.

Everything you have written above has nothing whatsoever to do with my response to @calicuz, nor does anything you've written have anything to do with what @calicuz wrote previous to that either!

You are obviously a geek who's on a major mission to be perceived as 'correct' by those around you, no matter what it is that you have to say about anything political, so I can only suggest that you lock yourself in a closet with a flashlight and a mirror and be a 'correct' as your reflection will allow yourself to be and perhaps then you will have successfully completed your right-fighter mission on this earth.

Yes it's true, you are a complete assswhole Kwek00, now go fukk yourself.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@swirlie
Trump's MAGA-Republican base however, are not far-right evangelical extremists, though further to the right than closer to the center.

In fact, Trump's base are comprised of un-employed, un-educated, White males who were born and raised in the USA, only 60% of whom have graduated high school, a group who have been marginalized in American society and thus form the minority of minority groups in their own country, who hold a social status below that of Black, college/university-educated American women if we want to talk about the pecking order of minorities in America.

If your largest group of Trump voters, are Evangelicals that either identify with Christian Nationalism OR enable Christian Nationalism... Then how does your statement make any sense?

Instead of talking about what a geek that I am, keep your head with the conversation.
swirlie · 31-35
@Kwek00
That's why I said, "Trump's MAGA-Republican base however, are not far-right evangelical extremists, though further to the right than closer to the center".

That is is to mean that Trump voters ARE NOT evangelicals that either identify with Christian Nationalism OR enable Christian Nationalism. Do you understand this or do you need more time to sober up today?

Trump voters are comprised of un-employed, un-educated, White males who were born and raised in the USA, only 60% of whom have graduated high school, a group who have been marginalized in American society and thus form the minority of minority groups in their own country, who hold a social status below that of Black, college/university-educated American women if we want to talk about the pecking order of minorities in America.

Like I said before, pay attention to what's been written and get with the program.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@swirlie It's the largest faction in his coalition... and the largest amount of things that were realised by now, are comming from that faction. The majority btw, of those outside the Evangelical Nationalist base, are still people that have verry little to no issue with an authoritarian form of governement. Even outside the Evangelical Nationalists, the majority is still illiberal.

This:

"Trump's MAGA-Republican base however, are not far-right evangelical extremists, though further to the right than closer to the center".

Only expresses that the base isn't homgenous... but that little Timmy hasn't figured out what the majority of the party is fighting for, is nice to mention, but it means nothing in the conversation, when your leadership is implementing a christian nationalist agenda.

Being:
- Unemployed
- Un-educated
- White males
- 40% didn't graduated high school

Doesn't exclude white nationalism OR authoritarian tendencies.
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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@swirlie That's okay Swirlie... this got really difficult for you really fast. Must be really boring for you, I understand.
swirlie · 31-35
@Kwek00
You have a very repetitive nature about your persona that I've noticed. The way you write is no different than how you probably speak as well.