nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@AdmiralPrune It's to protect freedom, so all the citizens will take it well. Not sure about the illegals.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@AdmiralPrune all Americans will be divided on whether illegal orders are legal!
ElwoodBlues · M
I've got NO PROBLEM with the theory of voter ID, as long as it's free and easy. I DO have a problem with the practice of making it differentially harder for the elderly & working poor. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification
"Voter ID laws have been estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office to reduce voter turnout by 2-3 percentage points, translating to tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state." https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/
Alabama is a case in point. A state shouldn't be allowed to do what Alabama did, passing voter ID laws and then closing ID issuing offices in predominantly poor or black counties.
"Voter ID laws have been estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office to reduce voter turnout by 2-3 percentage points, translating to tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state." https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/
Alabama is a case in point. A state shouldn't be allowed to do what Alabama did, passing voter ID laws and then closing ID issuing offices in predominantly poor or black counties.
Pretzel · 70-79, M
or it could be a problem because the Supreme Court told the state of PA that requiring a photo ID disenfranchises people with no birth certificate, two proofs of residency and and a social security card.
now personally I think that argument might have made more sense in 1925 but you can't get a checking acount without pretty much the same kind of ID.
Seems like the framers of the constitution wanted the Supreme Court to determine what is constitutional or not.
now personally I think that argument might have made more sense in 1925 but you can't get a checking acount without pretty much the same kind of ID.
Seems like the framers of the constitution wanted the Supreme Court to determine what is constitutional or not.
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MissingLink · 51-55, M
In reality illegal immigrants don't actually vote because they don't want the government to know where they are. The only people who this will effect are the ones who won't be able to get the "Proper Voter ID" In time to vote. Paper Ballots, nothing like a step backwards. Who determines who is ill enough to vote by Mail? What's next? Poll Tax? Poll tests? Sound like Jim Crow to me. I know people will probably insult me for my post. That's only because they have no facts to back their arguments. And please don't cite Faux News 😂
HumanEarth · F
Don't care anymore for the last 30 years I gave up caring on what the USA does. Its just a smoke screen to distract people from what really is going on behind the scenes.
This is why I stopped voting and caring
This is why I stopped voting and caring
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
An illegal order that conservative and moderate Americans will be sort of following? Yup.
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ElwoodBlues · M
@Reason10 Just out of curiosity, what evidence is there of the rate of actual voter fraud such as would be caught by stricter voter ID laws? Oh, wait, I looked for you:
Another report:
The GAO estimate says current voter ID laws reduce turnout by 2 or 3% per election. Let's take the lower number, 2%. That means that in the 2020 election, current voter ID laws deprived over 3 million people of their vote. In short, your voter ID laws do far more harm than good.
... reviewed allegations of fraud dating back to 2000. He identified 31 credible instances of impersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast over that period.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/?utm_term=.4f75c66acbc8Another report:
The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent. Thus, the report found, it is more likely an American “will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls.”
https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/truth-about-voter-fraudThe GAO estimate says current voter ID laws reduce turnout by 2 or 3% per election. Let's take the lower number, 2%. That means that in the 2020 election, current voter ID laws deprived over 3 million people of their vote. In short, your voter ID laws do far more harm than good.
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