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Why are the European nations in NATO spoiling for war with Russia?

Fighter jets from NATO nations, including Poland and Sweden, were scrambled after Russia launched long-range missile strikes in Ukraine overnight.

Polish and allied aircraft have begun operations, and ground-based air defense and radar reconnaissance systems have reached the highest state of readiness. Gripen fighter jets belonging to Sweden's air force, some of which are stationed in Poland, "helped ensure safety in Polish skies tonight" the Polish military said.

The problem lies in the hatred exported to the US by immigrants from Europe. My Polish maid, a 50 year old American citizen, said she hated Russians. She had lived in Poland under the USSR until she was 17 when the Iron Curtain fell.

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ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 asks

Are you Polish, Elwood?

and says

My Polish maid, a 50 year old American citizen, said she hated Russians.

Oh, I didn't realize you had such a comprehensive source of data on sentiment across the EU🤣😂
No, I'm not polish and I've never set foot there. I draw my conclusions about the dangers of Russian invasion from history. Hey! Let's start with Poland!!

Polish–Soviet War (1918/1919–1921)
Soviet invasion of Azerbaijan, 1920
Soviet invasion of Armenia, 1920
Red Army invasion of Georgia, 1921
Soviet invasion of Xinjiang, 1934
Soviet invasion of Poland, 1939
Winter War, 1939
Soviet occupation of the Baltic States, 1940
Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina, 1940
Soviet invasion of Manchuria, 1945
Hungarian Revolution of 1956
Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia, 1968
Soviet–Afghan War, 1979–1989

These invasions are under the name of the Russian Federation, whose leadership comes out of the old USSR leadership.

First Chechen War, 1994–1997
Second Chechen War, 1999–2000
Russo-Georgian War, 2008
Russo-Ukrainian War, 2014–present
Russian invasion of Ukraine, 2022–present

Why would anyone worry about an invasion by Russia??
BECAUSE HISTORY !!!

P.S.: Here's a map of NATO members and when they joined. The major eastward expansion actually happened in 2004. Do you think the hatred of Polish maids drove all these countries to join the NATO mutual defense pact? Or could their joining be due to rational concerns about further Russian expansionism???

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues

No, I'm not polish and I've never set foot there. I draw my conclusions about the dangers of Russian invasion from history. Hey! Let's start with Poland!!

Are you CIA? Your story for Russian expansionism comes straight out of US intelligence services that inspired the movie franchises of James Bond and Jason Bourne.

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 says

Are you CIA? Your story for Russian expansionism ...

Wow, Hitler said it got cold in the winter; if you say the same thing you must be a NAZI according to your logic🤣😂😝🤣😂

You obviously managed to avoid seeing ANY of the factual historical data I presented. Here it is again; this time try actually LOOKING at it!!

First Chechen War, 1994–1997
Second Chechen War, 1999–2000
Russo-Georgian War, 2008
Russo-Ukrainian War, 2014–present
Russian invasion of Ukraine, 2022–present

Why would anyone worry about an invasion by Russia??
BECAUSE HISTORY !!!

Here's a map of NATO members and when they joined. The major eastward expansion actually happened in 2004. Do you think the hatred expressed by Polish maids drove all these countries to join the NATO mutual defense pact? Or could their joining be due to rational concerns about further Russian expansionism???

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues

You obviously managed to avoid seeing ANY of the factual historical data I presented. Here it is again; this time try actually LOOKING at it!!

I glanced thru it. What facts? Your western propaganda is driving the war in Ukraine now. It is called history, all the excuses for war against Russia. Why don't you form opinion based on your own experiences of reality. Do you have any? Experiences of human conflict, I mean.

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 I DID form an opinion based on my own experiences of reality. My experiences of reality and conflict say all those nations that joined NATO had rational reasons to do so. My experiences of reality and conflict also say that YOU are the one currently spewing propaganda.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues

You obviously managed to avoid seeing ANY of the factual historical data I presented.

I did see your presentation which you believe is factual history. Are dinosaurs part of history?

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 Yes.

And, for the record, so are neutrons and black holes and many other things for which we have only indirect evidence.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues

And, for the record, so are neutrons and black holes and many other things for which we have only indirect evidence.

Indirect evidence. I like that. How about "heresay"?

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 How about independently repeatable experimentation?

You and I are communicating via assemblies of several billion transistors each. These assemblies manipulate (among other things) electrons and electromagnetic waves which NO ONE has ever seen. The only evidence for them is indirect. Deal with it.

“When someone says 'science teaches such and such', he is using the word incorrectly. Science doesn't teach it; experience teaches it” — Richard P. Feynman, The Pleasure of Finding Things Out, p. 187.

“If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.” — Richard P. Feynman

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues

You and I are communicating via assemblies of several billion transistors each.

You believe that?

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 Pretty hard to deny!

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues

Pretty hard to deny!

I believe in God. Hard to deny also.

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 Which god?
Ra? Osiris? Horus?
Manitou? Tsohanoai?
Fujin? Amaterasu-Ōmikami?
Shangdi? Zhongli Quan?
Odin? Frigg? Thor?
Zeus? Hera? Apollo? Artemis?

So many choices!!

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues

Which god?

I am not talking about spirituality.

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 Neither am I.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues

Neither am I.

Ok, so what are you talking about?

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 I'm talking about gods.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues

I'm talking about gods.

You cited Thor and Zeus. They are not spiritual figures?

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 This is what I'm talking about:

a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

I'm not gonna pretend that the term is mutually exclusive with respect to various other terms.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues

I'm not gonna pretend that the term is mutually exclusive with respect to various other terms.

Any thing that is not material is spiritual. Do you agree?

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 Nope. I don't regard Newton's law of gravity or the quadratic equation as particularly spiritual.

And what makes you so sure that somewhere in the galaxy there isn't a Mt Olympus with Thor & Zeus and the halls of Valhalla??

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