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Roundandroundwego · 61-69
Putin was inspiring and very kind. We are neighbors with Russia! They don't have to be so nice. But he's a gentleman.
https://youtu.be/TZEjOlmYb90?si=XeKuCnplTJdu4N1z.
And Trump looks pretty good to me, even made sense while talking. It's hopefully the beginning of the end of the conflict.
https://youtu.be/TZEjOlmYb90?si=XeKuCnplTJdu4N1z.
And Trump looks pretty good to me, even made sense while talking. It's hopefully the beginning of the end of the conflict.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Roundandroundwego Each day hundreds of putin's drones attack Ukrainian civilians, murdering children and babies... ordered by putin.
Thousands of Ukraine's children have been kidnapped and parcelled out to russians like merchandise... ordered by putin.
Hundreds of putin's political opponents have been brutally murdered... ordered by putin.
Your definition of a gentleman is flawed.
trump was played like a puppy - at the expense of america's honour and standing in the world.
Thousands of Ukraine's children have been kidnapped and parcelled out to russians like merchandise... ordered by putin.
Hundreds of putin's political opponents have been brutally murdered... ordered by putin.
Your definition of a gentleman is flawed.
trump was played like a puppy - at the expense of america's honour and standing in the world.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@beckyromero feel free to dismiss me and everyone who cares to listen to anything at all.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@newjaninev2 the Ukraine is nevertheless in the wrong, here. Never ever try to understand your enemy when fighting in war. Putin is not to be listened to by you. You have to believe what you need to, or you will lose the war. The war will have been a crime. So never listen to me or Putin. You want only to continue to victory, not to understand. That's how you Westerners think.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Roundandroundwego russia invaded Ukraine 11 years ago.
russia escalated that invasion in 1922
How is Ukraine in the wrong?
putin lied and lied and lied......
AH = Adolf Hitler
VP = Vladimir Putin
____________________________
AH: As always I tried to achieve changes in a peaceful way
VP: We persistently and patiently tried to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries.
____________________________
AH: It’s a lie when the world says we want to achieve change solely by military force.
VP: We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force.
____________________________
AH: These regions owe their cultural heritage solely to the German nation. Gdansk has been torn from us. You know about the endless attempts that I made to peacefully solve the problem of Austria and then the problem of the Sudetenland, Bohemia, and Moravia.
All this was in vain.
VP: For endlessly long eight years we did everything possible to resolve the situation by peaceful, political means.
All this was in vain.
____________________________
AH: Germany does not pursue any interests in the West. The western bulwark forever delineates the boundaries of the Reich.
VP: Our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories.
____________________________
AH: The German minorities living in Poland are subjected to the most heinous persecution.
VP: The Special Military Operation’s goal is to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide by the ‘Kyiv Régime’ for eight years.
____________________________
AH: Gdansk was, and still is, a German city. The Polish corridor was and is German.
VP: Ukraine for us is not just a neighbouring country, it is an integral part of our own history, culture, and spiritual space.
____________________________
AH: I will not fight against women and children. I have ordered that my air force be limited to attacks on military targets only.
I want to emphasise in particular the Russian armed forces do not strike at the cities of Ukraine. Nothing threatens the civilian population of Ukraine.
Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov:
(Head of the Russian army’s Department of Information)
russia escalated that invasion in 1922
How is Ukraine in the wrong?
putin lied and lied and lied......
AH = Adolf Hitler
VP = Vladimir Putin
____________________________
AH: As always I tried to achieve changes in a peaceful way
VP: We persistently and patiently tried to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries.
____________________________
AH: It’s a lie when the world says we want to achieve change solely by military force.
VP: We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force.
____________________________
AH: These regions owe their cultural heritage solely to the German nation. Gdansk has been torn from us. You know about the endless attempts that I made to peacefully solve the problem of Austria and then the problem of the Sudetenland, Bohemia, and Moravia.
All this was in vain.
VP: For endlessly long eight years we did everything possible to resolve the situation by peaceful, political means.
All this was in vain.
____________________________
AH: Germany does not pursue any interests in the West. The western bulwark forever delineates the boundaries of the Reich.
VP: Our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories.
____________________________
AH: The German minorities living in Poland are subjected to the most heinous persecution.
VP: The Special Military Operation’s goal is to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide by the ‘Kyiv Régime’ for eight years.
____________________________
AH: Gdansk was, and still is, a German city. The Polish corridor was and is German.
VP: Ukraine for us is not just a neighbouring country, it is an integral part of our own history, culture, and spiritual space.
____________________________
AH: I will not fight against women and children. I have ordered that my air force be limited to attacks on military targets only.
I want to emphasise in particular the Russian armed forces do not strike at the cities of Ukraine. Nothing threatens the civilian population of Ukraine.
Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov:
(Head of the Russian army’s Department of Information)
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@newjaninev2 not knowing about the US backed coup, the attacks on Russian speakers in Ukraine or the reason for Russia entering to protect the population is your privilege as a Ukraine advocate. May you bring war from Russia that finally frees me from America and ends the empire. May confidence in your own narrative block out the reality and make you free. Putin must nukr Brussels and Washington. Washington is threatening everything. Ukraine will be the reason for its end.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Roundandroundwego I know a great deal about those false claims made by the russians in an attempt to justify their aggression and barbarity.
Let's be clear about one thing once and for all.
Ukraine did not invade russia.
russia invaded Ukraine - Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk regions in 2014.. after which in 2022 there was another full-scale invasion of russian aggressors into Ukraine.
All subsequent actions of Ukraine, including those currently taking place on the territory of Russia, are the consequences of Russia's aggression against Ukraine.
When peace is achieved it will not be the peace that the Kremlin puppets preach, not the peace that trump and his sycophants preach, which is to give the terrorists everything they want, to turn a blind eye to their crimes, to give them Ukraine’s lands and people for occupation and genocide, to remove sanctions from them, and to forget about all the evil they have done.
To let tyranny and terror flourish.
Do you think Ukrainians want war?
You think all these men and women want to fight, to die.
You think they don't want to live a peaceful and happy life. To be with their families, to see how their children and grandchildren grow up.
Do you think it doesn’t hurt them to lose loved ones and friends?
But Ukrainians have no other choice. The truth is that a vile terrorist invader has attacked them, their homeland, their homes, their families.
The Ukrainians did not attack anyone, they are at home on their own land
And everyone who supports or justifies russian terrorism becomes accomplices of this aggression and terror.
Let's be clear about one thing once and for all.
Ukraine did not invade russia.
russia invaded Ukraine - Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk regions in 2014.. after which in 2022 there was another full-scale invasion of russian aggressors into Ukraine.
All subsequent actions of Ukraine, including those currently taking place on the territory of Russia, are the consequences of Russia's aggression against Ukraine.
When peace is achieved it will not be the peace that the Kremlin puppets preach, not the peace that trump and his sycophants preach, which is to give the terrorists everything they want, to turn a blind eye to their crimes, to give them Ukraine’s lands and people for occupation and genocide, to remove sanctions from them, and to forget about all the evil they have done.
To let tyranny and terror flourish.
Do you think Ukrainians want war?
You think all these men and women want to fight, to die.
You think they don't want to live a peaceful and happy life. To be with their families, to see how their children and grandchildren grow up.
Do you think it doesn’t hurt them to lose loved ones and friends?
But Ukrainians have no other choice. The truth is that a vile terrorist invader has attacked them, their homeland, their homes, their families.
The Ukrainians did not attack anyone, they are at home on their own land
And everyone who supports or justifies russian terrorism becomes accomplices of this aggression and terror.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@newjaninev2 no NATO in Ukraine, Ukraine must be neutral. Not difficult even for liars. Aggression is your right! And the response is my wish and Putin's decision.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Roundandroundwego
Why?
Ukraine has just as much a right to request membership in NATO as any other member had.
And it is NATO's right to admit them by a unanimous vote.
Russia even had a chance to join. I predict that once the Chinese become a little more aggressive regarding retaking their former northern lands that Russia will change its ways (if not earlier) and ask to become a NATO member.
Ukraine must be neutral.
Why?
Ukraine has just as much a right to request membership in NATO as any other member had.
And it is NATO's right to admit them by a unanimous vote.
Russia even had a chance to join. I predict that once the Chinese become a little more aggressive regarding retaking their former northern lands that Russia will change its ways (if not earlier) and ask to become a NATO member.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@beckyromero Russia stated and the USA agreed to Ukraine being neutral many times over the decades since 1990, and you certainly may deny that anyway ! It's a threat to Russia to have NATO in Ukraine, to have an alignment of Ukraine with the West. Fake it and pretend you don't share the view and that's not going to happen, I'm all good with no more West. Dems"support" Ukraine, they're not getting the USA nuked! You would blame Putin and it'll be unprovoked no matter how hard you provoked it! Good for you! You're in power and hegemonic . and nobody can talk to the USA!
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Roundandroundwego
Show me the written signed treaty! But you can't. Because there never was one.
you certainly may deny that anyway
Show me the written signed treaty! But you can't. Because there never was one.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@beckyromero good reason to trick Russia again. Never trust the USA, they're expanding NATO and they deny everything. Need to see it in writing or it's fair to attack. You stick with that. Certainly nobody ever can provide proof to you or the Dems that you should have peace with Russia. And you would only be lying if you said you'd allow peace. That's what happened to Minsk one and two. And you'll only ever lie and continue to attack Russia. Prove that louder, momma's looking for a Washington removal, Putin should do something about the USA! Tell everyone how you will expand NATO.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Roundandroundwego
The Russians will have a choice by the end of this century. Beg to join NATO or learn how to speak Chinese.
The Russians will have a choice by the end of this century. Beg to join NATO or learn how to speak Chinese.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@beckyromero the mindset of that statement is the Western one, alright! The multipolar modern world will be something the USA may decide to join! Unti then, you can threaten and harm and remove my tent over and over! The demographics of that in the West will make you very small and even more violent and ignorant and sick. And you can keep that mindset while everyone else moves on. You, the brutal billion, can arm Germany to remove Russia. We'll cure cancer and build farms in the cities and you can bull doze Gaza for hotels and drive tanks around the rain forest in Hawaii like you do now...
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newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Roundandroundwego gosh, you seem to have accidentally blocked Elwood blues so I'll help you out by copying his latest comment here for you.
(You're welcome)
I'm not sure why roundy round blocks me; maybe because I kept reminding her of the treaty known as the 1994 Budapest Memorandum in which Russia promised to respect Ukraine's sovereignty.
Essentially, Ukraine agreed to give up all its nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for safety from a U.S. or Russian invasion. Russia's invasion of Ukraine violates that treaty. And as a signatory to that 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the U.S. has a definite interest in righting Putin's current wrongs.
In the final version of the deal, Russia promised not to attack Ukraine. While the U.S. and the U.K. assured Ukraine they would aid if it was attacked by Russia, that promised aid did not guarantee military support like a NATO country would receive.
In 2009, Russia and the U.S. announced that the assurances in the Budapest Memorandum would continue to remain in effect in the future.
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/global-conflicts/ukraine-agreed-to-give-up-nukes-in-exchange-for-safety-from-russia-invasion-attack-budapest-memorandum-treaty/536-8748a51f-10ee-47f0-be30-b4088750ee44
Russia promised specifically NOT to invade Ukraine, and the U.S. promised specifically to ASSIST Ukraine if the treaty were ever violated. And that's what the U.S. had been doing until tRump trashed the treaty and switched to appeasement.
As I said, roundy round blocks me and can't see it when i post the facts about the treaty.
(You're welcome)
I'm not sure why roundy round blocks me; maybe because I kept reminding her of the treaty known as the 1994 Budapest Memorandum in which Russia promised to respect Ukraine's sovereignty.
Essentially, Ukraine agreed to give up all its nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for safety from a U.S. or Russian invasion. Russia's invasion of Ukraine violates that treaty. And as a signatory to that 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the U.S. has a definite interest in righting Putin's current wrongs.
In the final version of the deal, Russia promised not to attack Ukraine. While the U.S. and the U.K. assured Ukraine they would aid if it was attacked by Russia, that promised aid did not guarantee military support like a NATO country would receive.
In 2009, Russia and the U.S. announced that the assurances in the Budapest Memorandum would continue to remain in effect in the future.
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/global-conflicts/ukraine-agreed-to-give-up-nukes-in-exchange-for-safety-from-russia-invasion-attack-budapest-memorandum-treaty/536-8748a51f-10ee-47f0-be30-b4088750ee44
Russia promised specifically NOT to invade Ukraine, and the U.S. promised specifically to ASSIST Ukraine if the treaty were ever violated. And that's what the U.S. had been doing until tRump trashed the treaty and switched to appeasement.
As I said, roundy round blocks me and can't see it when i post the facts about the treaty.
ArtieKat · M
Your definition of a gentleman is flawed.
trump was played like a puppy - at the expense of america's honour and standing in the world.
trump was played like a puppy - at the expense of america's honour and standing in the world.
Exactly, @newjaninev2
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Roundandroundwego You likely know my heritage. Yet I can name you two different Ukrainians on this site that want NOTHING to do with Russia besides myself.
They all want to be apart of NATO.
Let the Ukrainians decide. Let them speak! Putin refused to even meet with Zelenskyy. The burden is totally on Putin.
They all want to be apart of NATO.
Let the Ukrainians decide. Let them speak! Putin refused to even meet with Zelenskyy. The burden is totally on Putin.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Roundandroundwego @DeWayfarer
If Ukrainians didn't want to fight for their freedom, they would have long ago went AWOL - just like a whole lot of Russians did in 1917.
If Ukrainians didn't want to fight for their freedom, they would have long ago went AWOL - just like a whole lot of Russians did in 1917.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@beckyromero One of those I know was a active soldier in their Army.
A woman volunteer. That is how strong their belief in freedom from Russia is.
I believe you would like her.
A woman volunteer. That is how strong their belief in freedom from Russia is.
I believe you would like her.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@beckyromero nothing like a Nazi background.... Alt right reality is bigger than our reality.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@beckyromero what threat? Go with that. You've heard of suicide by cop? By Russia. Stay that course.