South African President / Trump

@Londonguy23

The President of South Africa in his meeting with Trump said to Trump that it wasn't true, there is no genocide of whites, that more Black South Africans are getting killed than white South Africans.

And yes Black South Africans were not allowed in certain places in South Africa before the release of Mandela. And from what I've read years ago they wasn't allowed to own land. Blacks in South Africa were treated harshly.

And yes they were experiencing what they dished out, and not even to the extent that they dished it out. And yes he can help and Trump answered. What about Britain did they answer the plea?

@Charity well, we know that the British are also complicit in a number of things.
It was merely stating the facts. Each country has its own issues as we know. Im the first to admit that we have major problems in the UK

@Charity “and yes they are experiencing what they dished out.”You know that apartheid ended 30 years ago? That before that there was a referendum in which most South Africans voted to end apartheid. That race based laws affect young people who can’t have access to certain things like university or work because they are white, Indian or coloured. That farmers are tortured horrifically and if you’re a white farmer you’re 40 percent more likely than any other citizen to be attacked. You must realise that of a country of 60 million or so only 4 million are white. There are huge stadiums of political leaders chanting kill the boer, slit the throat of whiteness and saying things like we have not called for the killing of white people, yet. This didn’t happen once, it happens regularly . If you’re white and take umbrage to those slogans, you are labelled a racist. Those slogans are found written in blood where farmers that are white are written in blood. It’s horrific. 14 year old drowned in bathtubs of hot water, mothers raped fathers killed. It’s extremely violent. The issue the farmers have is that the government doesn’t condemn these slogans spreading hate. They deny it’s happening, so they went to America for help…everyone suffers from crime in South Africa. The government has vast tracts of land and farms that they have allowed to go derelict. Why don’t they give the previously disadvantaged people land? I have no issues with rectifying the injustices of the past but not by ostracising a certain race who had nothing to do with apartheid. Imagine if it were the other way around, a stadium full of white people calling for the murder of black people, and the government does nothing about it.

@Londonguy23 obviously the situation is complex and nuanced and there are valid arguments on all sides of this debate. It’s not simple. Most South Africans are more concerned with unemployment, crime and corruption. However there are many farmers that have applied and I personally know of one who has left everything. Locked up his farm and went for fear of his safety. That being said large scale farms are operating, but if your government approves a bill, changes the constitution to make it ok for your land to be seized, even if your family have been operating the farm for generations, what would you do?

Here in America Constitution didn't cover certain people and their land was taken. Land was granted was taken, people slaughtered and killed. The difference is the race of the people. The Aboriginal people of America whose Homeland was taken were herded onto undesirable lands, at least those few thousands that survived the onslaught. Where else could they go? People taken, brought here in slavery, brutalize in all manner of ways, supposedly freed, given land that was taken back, where could they go? Two wrongs don't make a right, it wasn't right then and if it's occurring it isn't right now. Since the whites in South Africa has been voicing their fear for a couple of decades if it was as bad as they say it is they should have left / most likely they had the money. Those that didn't move to a different part of Africa.

No it's not that simple.

Why would the US president call out to whites in South Africa give them refuge and refuse refuge for people from Haiti, Venezuela, El Salvador, Brazil, and such. Many of those people are suffering from hardships, murders, fear.

Oh I know a different ""class"" of people, like those of Switzerland or Greenland, are those who are rich.

@TangledUpInBlue oh I've heard about what's supposedly is going on in South Africa against the whites. And I cannot say that some of it didn't happen but I do question did it happen to the extreme, is it happening to the extreme that they say it is.

One thing I do know about people: people over exaggerate / people lie / people cover / up people hide truths and push lies. And the best way to get attention is to blow it up, as the old folks used to say make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Why did the US president himself reach out to bring white refugees from South Africa but deny refugees from Haiti or Brazil or El Salvador and such places who are suffering some of the same type things as white people in South Africa are.

@Charity We did. Some estimates say we took in 15 million from Haiti, El Salvador, Cuba and Venezuela.

And then we elected Trump to get rid of them, because they burdened our social systems, in some cases increased the crime rate, and took benefits and resources from American citizens.

@Charity it’s estimated that almost a million white people have left South Africa in the last 30 years. The continuous emigration has contributed to a decline in the white population’s proportion within South Africa, decreasing from 11% in 1996 to approximately 7.7% by 2022.

It’s not so easy to just pack up and go. People love their home and what places in Africa are so easy to move to? People have children and parents and property in South Africa. It’s expensive to relocate, especially to countries that have a stronger currency. There are a lot of middle class and poor white people in South Africa.
I can’t speak for other countries and Trump as I’m not American, I am talking about South Africa.

When one’s government doesn’t arrest hate speech toward a different race, when one’s government signs legislations to grab white people’s land, when white farmers are 40 percent more likely to be attacked and murdered than the rest of the population ( twice as much as a cop) when there are numerous race based laws, when farmers are tortured and murdered, when kill the boer is sung widely and freely. - do you not think it’s the start of a genocide?

@TangledUpInBlue grab white people's land land that they took from black people, ok.

40% more likely doesn't mean that it actually was.

I think I said if they were that scared they would leave and if you say millions left then they were scared because they lost the control that they had where black people were not allowed the most basic rights in their own country. I also think I said those who couldn't leave Africa go to another country Africa has 300 different countries within it, maybe you would refer to them as States.

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