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FreddieUK · 70-79, M
The President showed video of actual graves.
No he didn't. He showed pictures of crosses laid out in a protest
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@carpediem It's both.
It's true.
The footage played by Trump in the Oval Office showed rows of white crosses stretching off into the distance along a rural road. Trump claimed: "These are burial sites right here. Burial sites. Over a thousand of white farmers."
However, the crosses do not mark graves. The video is from a protest against the murder of white farming couple Glen and Vida Rafferty, who were ambushed and shot dead on their premises in 2020. The clip was shared on YouTube on 6 September, the day after the protests.
"It's not a burial site, but it was a memorial," said Rob Hoatson, one of the organisers of the event. He said the crosses were erected as a "temporary memorial" to the couple.
Mr Hoatson said the crosses have since been taken down.
The footage has since been geolocated to an area in KwaZulu-Natal province, near the town of Newcastle. Google Street View imagery captured in May 2023 - almost three years after the footage first appeared online - shows that the crosses were no longer standing.
The crosses in the photo Trump showed do not mark graves. They are a memorial set up to mark the graves of farmers and farm workers who had been murdered over the years. They were of every race, colour, sex and creed, NOT just White farmers.
The "source" that these crosses actually marked the graves of White Afrikaner farmers? Elon Musk.
Prove me wrong.
I don't expect an answer.
You say "crosses laid out in protest"
It's true.
The footage played by Trump in the Oval Office showed rows of white crosses stretching off into the distance along a rural road. Trump claimed: "These are burial sites right here. Burial sites. Over a thousand of white farmers."
However, the crosses do not mark graves. The video is from a protest against the murder of white farming couple Glen and Vida Rafferty, who were ambushed and shot dead on their premises in 2020. The clip was shared on YouTube on 6 September, the day after the protests.
"It's not a burial site, but it was a memorial," said Rob Hoatson, one of the organisers of the event. He said the crosses were erected as a "temporary memorial" to the couple.
Mr Hoatson said the crosses have since been taken down.
The footage has since been geolocated to an area in KwaZulu-Natal province, near the town of Newcastle. Google Street View imagery captured in May 2023 - almost three years after the footage first appeared online - shows that the crosses were no longer standing.
Another dipshit posted "a memorial.....of every race".
You deliberately misquoted me (there's a shock)The crosses in the photo Trump showed do not mark graves. They are a memorial set up to mark the graves of farmers and farm workers who had been murdered over the years. They were of every race, colour, sex and creed, NOT just White farmers.
The "source" that these crosses actually marked the graves of White Afrikaner farmers? Elon Musk.
Prove me wrong.
I don't expect an answer.
georgelong · 46-50, M
Fiction is impossible to prove either way. @SW-User

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@georgelong The pictures he showed were indeed fiction (or rather, his explanations were.)
georgelong · 46-50, M
So you say and the said could be said about your writing. @SW-User

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@georgelong It could, if I was writing fiction. But here's the wonderful thing about facts; they're true whether you believe them or not. And everything I've written is true :)
georgelong · 46-50, M
So you say. You have provided zero substantiation. @SW-User

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@georgelong Except I have. It's you who has provided nothing.
georgelong · 46-50, M
Nothing with sources that can be checked. @SW-User
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georgelong · 46-50, M
What CD said @SW-User

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@georgelong That’s the spirit, snowflakes! If nothing else, a complete pigheaded refusal to look facts in the face will see us through @carpediem 😊
georgelong · 46-50, M
The article states that last year 17 white and 4 black farmers were murdered. That figure is even more horrendous given the minuscule percentage of whites in general. You’ve disproved your own point. You simply never win. @SW-User

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@georgelong I'm sorry but this is what the article said.
Any murder is appalling and South Africa has some serious problems.
But as of 2022, there were 4,504,252 Whites living in South Africa; 7.3% of the population.
This is not a genocide.
Back down and accept defeat while you still have some dignity :)
The country has one of the highest murder rates in the world. There were 26,232 murders last year, according to South African Police Service (SAPS) figures.
Of these, 44 were killings of people within the farming community and of those, eight were of farmers.
These figures are not broken down by race in any public stats release that we've been able to locate - but they clearly don't provide evidence for the claims of "white genocide" made repeatedly by Trump.
In February, a South African judge dismissed the idea of a genocide as "clearly imagined" and "not real".
The Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU), which represents farmers, compiles figures which offer an insight into the racial identity of the victims. The TAU relies on media reports, social media posts and reports from their members.
Their figures for last year show there were 23 white people killed in farm attacks, and nine black people. So far this year TAU has recorded three white people and four black people killed on South African farms.
Of these, 44 were killings of people within the farming community and of those, eight were of farmers.
These figures are not broken down by race in any public stats release that we've been able to locate - but they clearly don't provide evidence for the claims of "white genocide" made repeatedly by Trump.
In February, a South African judge dismissed the idea of a genocide as "clearly imagined" and "not real".
The Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU), which represents farmers, compiles figures which offer an insight into the racial identity of the victims. The TAU relies on media reports, social media posts and reports from their members.
Their figures for last year show there were 23 white people killed in farm attacks, and nine black people. So far this year TAU has recorded three white people and four black people killed on South African farms.
Any murder is appalling and South Africa has some serious problems.
But as of 2022, there were 4,504,252 Whites living in South Africa; 7.3% of the population.
This is not a genocide.
Back down and accept defeat while you still have some dignity :)
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@georgelong Ah yes, the ancient art of statistical sorcery: take two numbers, ignore context, multiply by BS, and scream ‘genocide.’ You're not doing math; you’re doing fan fiction with a calculator, and all you've shown is you'll do anything to desperately prove that Trump was not lying through his teeth (again) 🤣
You've lost the plot. 🤣🤣
You've lost the plot. 🤣🤣
georgelong · 46-50, M
Yours is a fiction novel plot. Mine is reality. You know it. You lose. @SW-User

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@georgelong You posted unrelated photos and called it 'proof'. That’s not reality, that’s desperation. I backed my case with verifiable data; you responded with chest-thumping and denial. That’s not a debate, it’s a tantrum. You didn’t lose because I out-argued you - you lost because facts terrify you and you’ve got none (which is not surprising as you rely on Trump for your "facts".
Keep pretending. But you lose. It's been fun but the grown-ups are done here.
Keep pretending. But you lose. It's been fun but the grown-ups are done here.
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