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The farce of Trump’s Russia-Ukraine peace talks.

The farce of Trump’s Russia-Ukraine peace talks.

America’s current leaders place the onus for peace on Ukraine, blaming the victim for the war.


May 17, 2025, 5:00 AM CDT
By Nicholas Grossman, political science professor at the University of Illinois.


Secretary of State Marco Rubio recently lamented that people who were alive in Ukraine are dead today “because this war continues.”

Not exactly. They’re dead because Russia killed them in an ongoing attempt to subjugate their country. The war isn’t a natural disaster out of anyone’s control, like, say, a hurricane. Russian leader Vladimir Putin chose to aggressively attack Ukraine, and decided every day since then to keep attacking while making extensive demands.

That’s the central truth of the war, but Russia has always denied it, and under President Donald Trump, the United States denies it as well. That denial renders peace negotiations a farce.

Russian leaders have long said they’re open to peace talks, but consistently show that they mean, “We’ll accept your surrender at any point.”

If war-ending talks such as this week’s summit in Turkey can’t even acknowledge the main reason the war continues, they’re guaranteed to fail.

Russian leaders have long said they’re open to peace talks, but consistently show that they mean, “We’ll accept your surrender at any point.” Last year, Putin responded to peace efforts by demanding that Ukraine first withdraw forces from all parts of Ukraine that Russian forces occupy and formally commit to never joining NATO. This year, Putin demanded that the United States officially recognize all Ukrainian territory Russia has taken since 2014 as Russia’s, and commit to keeping U.S. peacekeepers out of Ukraine. In exchange, Putin offers nothing besides his word that Russia will stop attacking.

He’s also announced brief ceasefires, such as an “Easter truce” this year, during which Russia kept bombing. And Putin got concessions from Ukraine in exchange for an end to hostilities in 2014, but subsequently broke that deal multiple times, as well as a 1994 treaty called the Budapest Memorandum.

Despite Putin’s record, America’s current leaders place the onus for peace on Ukraine, blaming the victim for the war.

In addition to Trump, there’s Vice President JD Vance, who opposed aid for Ukraine when he was a senator, and at a White House meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy this March berated Zelenskyy for showing insufficient gratitude. (Zelenskyy has thanked the U.S. many times.) Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth haphazardly canceled some U.S. military support for Ukraine and gave a speech in Europe telling NATO countries that the U.S. would be less committed to European security and wouldn’t provide security guarantees to backstop a peace agreement in Ukraine.

At an April 25 meeting in Paris, the U.S. presented European countries with a document of terms that “represent the final offer from the United States to both sides.” It is predominantly concessions to Putin, including Ukraine forfeiting land and the right to decide its own foreign relations, plus the removal of international sanctions on Russia. The only thing it calls for Russia to do is stop shooting.

With months of this farcical effort going nowhere, Trump and Vance have started expressing some irritation with Russia. This month, Vance said that Russia is “asking for too much.” After a brief meeting with Zelenskyy at the Vatican in late April, Trump acknowledged that “maybe [Putin] doesn’t want to stop the war.” But it never comes with demands that Russia make concessions, nor a renewed commitment to Ukraine’s defense that could force Russia into a real deal. And it quickly snapped back to Trump excusing Putin.

Russia’s leader didn’t bother going to this month’s summit in Turkey— advertised as the first direct talks between the warring parties —nor did Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. Zelenskyy went, as did Rubio and White House special envoy Steve Witkoff. Trying to excuse Putin’s non-attendance and the apparent lack of progress, Trump said this: “Nothing’s going to happen until Putin and I get together, OK? And obviously he wasn’t going to go. He was going to go, but he thought I was going to go.”

It’s worth unpacking how much absurdity is in that one statement. Trump frames the war entirely as the U.S. and Russia settling spheres of influence, as if Ukraine and Europe don’t have any say. Russian propaganda uses the same frame, in part as a “look what you made me do” excuse for Putin’s aggression.

Trump claims peace can be achieved only when he and Putin get together, except he claimed the same thing would end the war months ago, and he’s been in contact with Putin a lot. Witkoff traveled to Russia and met with Putin in February, March and April. Witkoff was so solicitous that he didn’t follow diplomatic protocol and bring a Russian translator, instead relying on the Kremlin’s. Additionally, Trump has conducted at least two phone calls with Putin: one in February, which Trump promoted as the start of peace negotiations, and another in March.

On top of all that, Trump says Putin would have attended the peace summit in Turkey if Trump had attended. If we take the president’s comments at face value, he claims he could have ended the 21st century’s biggest interstate war simply by flying to Turkey, but didn’t feel like it.

Except we’re not supposed to take the president seriously, like the leader of a powerful country conducting high-stakes diplomacy. Not this president, at least. Many media outlets made Trump’s “until Putin and I get together” their headline, with the fact that he and Putin have communicated many times on the war buried deep in the story, or not mentioned at all.

Russia pretends it’s interested in peace to perpetuate the absurd narrative that Russia’s war isn’t Russia’s fault.

At the summit in Turkey, the Russian delegation announced “we have agreed that each side will present its vision of a possible future ceasefire.” Why they couldn’t do that before the summit, or why months of Trump administration efforts haven’t gotten things even to the preliminary present-your-vision stage, Russia did not say.

When Russia presented its vision, it demanded Ukraine fully withdraw from the parts of Ukraine that Russia wants to keep as a precondition for a ceasefire. In other words, “give in first, then we’ll talk.” Ukraine called that unrealistic — its vision starts with a ceasefire — and the talks collapsed, with both parties agreeing to some prisoner swaps and to communicate again in the future.

So here’s where things stand as the Turkey summit fails for the same predictable reasons:

Russia pretends it’s interested in peace to perpetuate the absurd narrative that Russia’s war isn’t Russia’s fault.

The U.S. pretends Russia is interested in peace to perpetuate the absurd narrative that Trump is pursuing peace and advancing American interests, rather than hoping to see Russia’s aggression succeed as his actions indicate.

And Ukraine pretends the Trump administration is pursuing a just peace to counter the absurd narrative that Ukraine is somehow the obstacle to peace, hoping that the umpteenth failure of peace talks will convince America and enough of the world that the obstacle now is what it has been the whole time: Putin and Russia.


Nicholas Grossman is a political science professor at the University of Illinois, editor of Arc Digital and the author of "Drones and Terrorism."
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ididntknow · 56-60, M
The war, is a proxy war, between Russia and America ( NATO ) Ukraine, could never beat Russia in a war, all the weapons, coordinates, are supplied by NATO, from a base in Germany, NATO, have basically lost a war with Russia, RUSSIA are winning massively, Ukraine are losing, massively, over a million Ukrainians are dead, Russia are gaining ground every day, all the points and facts you are pointing out, are all from mainstream media, meaning, they are a narrative, no facts, no truth, no reality, you need to look further afield, for the truth, definitely, don’t rely, on mainstream media,
JSul3 · 70-79
@ididntknow Does Putin have a right to invade Ukraine and take their land?
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@JSul3 was it unprovoked ?
JSul3 · 70-79
@ididntknow Absolutely.

Was Ukraine lining their borders with troops, preparing for an invasion of Russia? NO.

The world knows this was an unprovoked action by Putin, who for years has planned to recoup the lands lost when the Soviet Union fell. He said as much.

Recall the Budapest Memorandum. Ukraine agreed to give up all their nukes with a guarantee of being left alone with no fear of any invasion. That was 1994.
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@JSul3 you see, you are just repeating, what you hear in the news, are you willing to learn, or just stuck in the narrative, that’s been put out there, if you’re ok with that, just like a lot of people are, fair enough, I won’t take up, any more of your time
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@JSul3 what was happening, 2014 onwards
JSul3 · 70-79
@ididntknow OMG.

It is clear that Putin invaded a sovereign country that was of no threat.

What are you smoking? Please show me the plan of Ukraine invading Russia to expand their land holdings.
JSul3 · 70-79
@ididntknow

After 2014, tensions escalated between Ukraine and Russia following the Revolution of Dignity and the annexation of Crimea by Russia. Russia supported pro-Russian separatists in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, leading to an armed conflict that continues to this day. This conflict has resulted in a significant number of casualties, including both military personnel and civilians. International sanctions against Russia were imposed in response to the annexation of Crimea and the conflict in Donbas.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Annexation of Crimea:
Following the Revolution of Dignity in 2014, Russia seized and annexed the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine. This was a controversial move that was not recognized by the international community.

War in Donbas:
In the aftermath of the annexation, Russia began supporting pro-Russian separatists in the Donbas region, leading to a war between Ukrainian government forces and the separatist groups, with Russian involvement.

International Response:
The international community condemned Russia's actions and imposed sanctions on the country, which continue to this day. Many Western countries have provided military aid to Ukraine to help it defend against the conflict.
Ongoing Conflict:
The conflict in Donbas has been ongoing for years, with the Minsk Agreements attempting to bring about a ceasefire and resolution, but these efforts have been largely unsuccessful.
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@JSul3 nothing to do with America then
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@JSul3 was there an election in Crimea, didn’t Crimea, vote to be become part of Russia, because they were sick and tired of Ukraine killing them, Russian speakers, that is, your problem is, you like to read and write, what you think are true long passages, without questioning, any of it, you lack critical thinking, like a lot of people, that’s why you people are very easily indoctrinated, what’s your opinion of what happened in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Georgia, I suppose you think Epstein killed him self, Oswald shot JFK, then Ruby shot Oswald, how about Libya, wake up man, we can all write long passages, it doesn’t mean you understand anything, you are just repeating what you read on google, think for yourself, for a change
JSul3 · 70-79
@ididntknow You cherry pick your facts.

Yes, Crimea held a referendum on March 16, 2014, regarding its status, in which voters were asked whether they wanted to rejoin Russia or restore Crimea's 1992 constitution, which would have entailed significantly greater autonomy from Kyiv. According to official results, a large majority voted in favor of joining Russia.
However, the legitimacy of this referendum is widely disputed by the international community and Ukraine, according to the Brookings Institution.

Here's why:

Illegality under Ukrainian Law: The referendum was deemed illegal under the Constitution of Ukraine, which stipulates that any changes to the country's territory must be decided through a nationwide referendum, not a regional one.
Circumstances of the Referendum: The referendum was held shortly after Russian forces effectively seized control of Crimea, raising concerns about coercion and intimidation. There were also reports of the presence of armed men at polling stations and a lack of credible international observers.

Limited Choices: The ballot options did not include the option to maintain the status quo of Crimea as an autonomous republic within Ukraine.

In conclusion, while a referendum was held and official results indicated a pro-Russian outcome, the circumstances surrounding the vote, its illegality under Ukrainian law, and the limited choices offered have led to its widespread rejection by the international community.


You see, just like the BS of some US states wishing to withdraw from the Union...they can't.

I suppose you believe that every election in Russia is legit...same in China and N. Korea.
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@JSul3 I suppose you think zelenskyy hasn’t been in power for nearly two years, without an election, do the names, Blinken, Sullivan, and Nuland mean anything to you, you really are clueless, aren’t you, you believe all the narratives, all the projection, all the gas lighting, nothing is as it seems, your brain 🧠 just can’t tell you that,
JSul3 · 70-79
@ididntknow One final time:

Did Putin invade the sovereign nation of Ukraine?
Yes or No?
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@JSul3 put it this was, it wasn’t unprovoked, you can’t go around killing Russian speakers in Ukraine, and expect nothing to happen, America, the west, CIA, MI6 all involved. I suppose to you, that’s a conspiracy theory 🙄
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