Is it true?

@beckyromero So I take it you are not Canadian.

@hippyjoe1955

No.

But surely you've heard the same joke about the Tories and Campbell's 1993 election bid to remain PM that I have?

Q: Why did the Tory cross the road?

A: To meet the other Tory.

@beckyromero I take it you are not Canadian.

@hippyjoe1955

https://similarworlds.com/politics/5286698-I-dedicate-this-song-tonight-to-my-friend-hippyjoe1955

🙂

@hippyjoe1955

So? You are a Canadian who frequently posts on American politics. 😜

@beckyromero At least I am informed about how politics works in the US. Obviously you know nothing about Canada and how its politics works. Yes lots of leaders don't win their own seat. A fellow I went to school with was elected to office and the leader of his party which held a majority of seats lost his seat. My friend stepped down and a by election was held where the leader won and was thus back in the legislature as elected premier. John Turner PM of Canada had to do the same when he lost his seat. It not an uncommon thing. Given the demographics of Poilievre's riding I am surprised he was ever elected there in the first place. Ottawa Carlton is liberal centre. There are enough left leaning people in that riding to crush any conservative politician. Add into the mix the anti Americanism created by Trump and no Conservative could get elected there. Canada is a strange country that was built on anti Americanism. Its roots go back to the United Empire Loyalists and the hatred of the US has been kept up. My mother's family was imported from Wales to keep Alberta British after WWI. Why you ask? Well because people like my Dad's family came up from the US and settled at the turn of the century. Americans came to Alberta in such large numbers there was fear in Ottawa that Alberta may become American.

@hippyjoe1955
Please, please, please tell me in which alternate universe did Prime Minister John Turner lose an election to his seat in Parliament?

Perhaps one in which the Toronto Maple Leafs have won a Stanley Cup since the days when Lester Pearson was Prime Minister? Or maybe in one in which color TV was commonplace in 1967? Or since the centenary of Canadian Confederation?

Turner stood for election to the House of Commons eight times. He was elected each time.

Geez, @hippyjoe1955. You need to lay off the Trump Vodka. It's having delusional effects on you. 😜


Liberal leader Justin Trudeau didn't lose his own seat in 2021.
Conservative leader Erin O'Toole didn't lose his own seat in 2021.
Liberal leader Justin Trudeau didn't lose his own seat in 2019.
Conservative leader Andrew Scheer didn't lose his own seat in 2019.
Liberal leader Justin Trudeau didn't lose his own seat in 2015.
Conservative leader Stephen Harper didn't lose his own seat in 2015.
Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff DID lose his own seat in 2011.
Conservative leader Stephen Harper didn't lose his own seat in 2011.
Liberal leader Stéphane Dion didn't lose his own seat in 2008.
Conservative leader Stephen Harper didn't lose his own seat in 2008.
Liberal leader Paul Martin didn't lose his own seat in 2006.
Conservative leader Stephen Harper didn't lose his own seat in 2006.
Liberal leader Paul Martin didn't lose his own seat in 2004.
Conservative leader Stephen Harper didn't lose his own seat in 2004.
Liberal leader Jean Chrétien didn't lose his own seat in 2000.
Progressive Conservative Joe Clark didn't lose his own seat in 2000.
Canadian Alliance Stockwell Day didn't lose his own seat in 2000.
Liberal leader Jean Chrétien didn't lose his own seat in 1997.
Reform leader Preston Manning didn't lose his own seat in 1997.
Progressive Conservative leader Jean Charest didn't lose his own seat in 1997.
Liberal leader Jean Chrétien didn't lose his own seat in 1993.
Reform leader Preston Manning didn't lose his own seat in 1993.
Progressive Conservative Kim Campbell DID lose her own seat in 1993. - as I mentioned above.
Liberal leader John Turner didn't lose his own seat in 1988.
Progressive Conservative leader Brian Mulroney didn't lose his own seat in 1988.
Liberal leader John Turner didn't lose his own seat in 1984.
Progressive Conservative leader Brian Mulroney didn't lose his own seat in 1984.
Liberal leader Pierre Trudeau didn't lose his own seat in 1980.
Progressive Conservative leader Joe Clark didn't lose his own seat in 1980.

"Lots", eh? 🤣

@beckyromero So you have no history of Canada and just make up nonsense. Too Funny! BTW how many names were on the ballot for Poilievre? In my riding there were 5. In Carney's there were 4. In Poilievre there were 92. Can you see something different?

@hippyjoe1955
The two primary candidates, Poilievre (Conservative) and Liberal rookie Bruce Fanjoy, received about 97% of the votes.

Fanjoy faced 91 opponents, too. But managed to get over 50% of the vote.

Poilievre had held his seat for over 20 years until this week.

He lost to a ROOKIE! 🤣

Too funny indeed!

@beckyromero And that proves? Why were there 92 names on a ballot that was yards long? How many people simply said "forget it and went home rather than search for a name to vote for? So again you know nothing about Canadian politics. Poilievre didn't win that riding for 20 years. The riding he ran in doesn't look anything like the riding he won 20 years ago. Gotta love ignorant people like you who think that Google makes you an expert.

@hippyjoe1955
Works both ways.


What's really funny about that is after the 2022 redistribution (that took effect for this election), his riding become MORE rural and MORE conservative.

A study by the Ottawa Sun concluded that Poilievre would have won his riding by two points HIGHER in the 2021 elections if that election were held under the current boundaries.

When you're in a hole, stop digging. 😜

@beckyromero Right back at you. I have no idea why you have a hard on for Poilievre. I didn't vote for him or his party. In fact I didn't bother to vote. Canada is such a broken nation only the complete dissolution of said country can help the people living here. No I don't want to join the US either. I simply want an independent country that runs from the Pacific to the Hudson bay and from the 49 parallel to the North Pole. Washington and Ottawa are too corrupt to support.

@hippyjoe1955
🤣

Liberal victories in Canada give those of us living south of the border hope.

Does it mean the Liberals do everything right? Of course not. We Democrats have our failings, too.

But even Donald Trump has recognized the success of "liberal" policies in Canada, such as your single-payer health insurance system, which he once praised in one of his books as a model for the U.S.

@beckyromero Hope for what? The liberals have pretty much shut down the economy. People from Eastern Europe are going back to the country they came from because opportunities are better. There is a huge issue in Manitoba right now because their socialist government can't run the hospitals. Poverty is increased and wealth is fleeing the country. If you want to live in those circumstances please move to Ontario.

@hippyjoe1955

Emigration from Canada may have hit a 7-year high last year, but Canada is still one of the top choices for immigrants.

Canadian provinces, like many U.S. states, are still recovering from Covid but got thru the epidemic in much better shape than most of the rest of the world.

Poverty is up in the U.S., too. Don't be so down on yourselves.

@beckyromero Yeah it has a reputation it doesn't live up to. A few years ago I met some young fellows from Somalia. We had a good chat one day and I asked them about their impression on coming to Canada. I was thinking that they might not like the cold or some such weather advice. They said that they were from the rich in Somalia and that they only came to Canada because they were told that everything was free. They were quite disappointed that they had to work and most of them were not adequately trained or educated to get a high paying job. I employed a few of them because they were hard up and paid them well. They were nice guys and I had no trouble with them. Then one day one of them phoned me at 6 AM telling me that he couldn't come to work that day because he was going to jail. He had been caught with a hand gun and having a hand gun in Canada is a jail-able offence. The rest of them went back to Somalia. I never heard if the jailed fellow left Canada after his release or not.

@hippyjoe1955

The Mounties always get their man!

I don't think your account of that experience is much different than what many Americans can relate to. Of course, it's not just immigrants that fall into crime but native-born citizens as well. Both our countries were built by immigrants. Studies here show that legal immigrants are less likely to commit violent crimes.

But I suspect that you will agree with me that we'd rather struggle in the U.S. or Canada than be among the rich in Somalia. We (generally speaking) too often take for granted how fortunate we are to be living in two of the best nations on Earth. But we have to keep them that way. Freedom and individual liberty is what has lifted us to where we are. And three oceans protected us in those early years.

@beckyromero The mounties are a very corrupt police force and this fellow was not arrested by them. He was arrested by the city cops who are much cleaner than the mounties.

@beckyromero Here is a little talk by a former liberal cabinet minister and his take on the recent Canadian election and the loss of Poilievre's seat. Not only were the boundries reset but they had 92 names on the ballot and an unheard of 100% turnout. That isn't Canada. That is Soviet Union levels of voters. However I am not a Poilievre fan and I am not thrilled by Poilievre running in the riding I grew up in. Yes he will be elected in the by election to be held but that riding is hard core conservative and Poilievre is a mushy middle. I will let the former Liberal cabinet minister and member of the Privy Council say his piece as he is interviewed by a TV station in Southern Alberta. [media=https://youtu.be/UTP1uRypJHA?t=64]