If you’re a liberal, don’t you agree that free enterprise moves society forward?
And if you’re conservative, don’t you think the left is good for workers rights, getting better salaries, and keeping the planet clean?
This page is a permanent link to the reply below and its nested replies. See all post replies »
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
If you’re a liberal, don’t you agree that free enterprise moves society forward?
Since when are liberals against this? 🤷♂
@Kwek00 warned that system, done feeding
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Ferise1 Not free enterprise... The only thing you can really hammer on, is their description of freedom.
You practically have 3 big types of liberals, and even in those 3 brackets you have nuances.
Classical liberals, what is/used to be the big center. Which are your Adam Smith, John Locke, Milton Friedman type of people. They ussually are progressive when it comes to individual freedom. But their economic policy is capitalism with a nightwatcher state. Pretty much a small governement that protects individuals negative freedoms. They ussually support the employer over the laborer in economic descisions and keep taxes down. They are not a big fan of redistribution.
Conservative liberals, which is the right wing of liberalism. An example of that, would be Friedrich Hayeck. They are ussually conservative when it comes to social issues, however they do believe that if enough people are ready for progress, progress needs to be allowed. They ussually stop progressive laws, untill they don't have the votes to do it any longer. Then they accept the new paradigm and get over the issue. They aren't reactionairy and are not trying to turn back the clock. For their economic policies, they adopt the same policies as the classical liberal.
Progressive liberals, which are left from the center. These are your John Stewart Mill and John Rawls types. They allign on the progressive social issues with classical liberals. In the economy and in peoples daily life, they believe in positive liberty. This concept is often denied by the other two factions. For a progressive liberal, it's not enough to be free to do a certain thing, you also need to be able to excercise your freedom. It's fine that you are free to take vacation, however, if you can't afford it that negative freedom just ain't enough. These people ussually are in favor of using the state to create regulations and redistribution. Making sure that you can live your old age, and don't have to be in bed due the consequences of your work AND the fact that the market didn't pay you enough so you aren't able to actually do anything when you are on a pension (for example).
All 3 factions believe in free enterprise, but the progressive side believes that you need to be free in the negative and positive sense of the concept.
You practically have 3 big types of liberals, and even in those 3 brackets you have nuances.
Classical liberals, what is/used to be the big center. Which are your Adam Smith, John Locke, Milton Friedman type of people. They ussually are progressive when it comes to individual freedom. But their economic policy is capitalism with a nightwatcher state. Pretty much a small governement that protects individuals negative freedoms. They ussually support the employer over the laborer in economic descisions and keep taxes down. They are not a big fan of redistribution.
Conservative liberals, which is the right wing of liberalism. An example of that, would be Friedrich Hayeck. They are ussually conservative when it comes to social issues, however they do believe that if enough people are ready for progress, progress needs to be allowed. They ussually stop progressive laws, untill they don't have the votes to do it any longer. Then they accept the new paradigm and get over the issue. They aren't reactionairy and are not trying to turn back the clock. For their economic policies, they adopt the same policies as the classical liberal.
Progressive liberals, which are left from the center. These are your John Stewart Mill and John Rawls types. They allign on the progressive social issues with classical liberals. In the economy and in peoples daily life, they believe in positive liberty. This concept is often denied by the other two factions. For a progressive liberal, it's not enough to be free to do a certain thing, you also need to be able to excercise your freedom. It's fine that you are free to take vacation, however, if you can't afford it that negative freedom just ain't enough. These people ussually are in favor of using the state to create regulations and redistribution. Making sure that you can live your old age, and don't have to be in bed due the consequences of your work AND the fact that the market didn't pay you enough so you aren't able to actually do anything when you are on a pension (for example).
All 3 factions believe in free enterprise, but the progressive side believes that you need to be free in the negative and positive sense of the concept.