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The Relationship Between Canada and the United States: A Debate Between "President Trump" and Becky Romero

With the help of ChatGPT, a public policy debate was held between myself and "President Trump."

AI crafted the moderator's questions based on inputs for suggested topics and I answered or responded to Trump's response or rebuttals. AI was instructed to look for Trump's past public comments and statements for assistance in crafting his responses. The moderator was given leedway without specifics to ask follow-ups based on our responses. It got quite heated at some points during the debate, but he didn't call me any names. But he lashed out with his typical insults at former Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. For my comments, I gave AI certain parameters, links to my own past statements and policy proposals and I conservatively edited them as warranted.



Moderator: Welcome to tonight's debate. Our participants are President Donald Trump and Democrat policy analyst Becky Romero. Tonight we will cover various topics concerning the relationship between Canada and the United States, including healthcare, trade and national security. Each debater will have two minutes to answer a question on a given topic, followed by a one minute rebuttal, with further discussion on the topic at my discretion. Let’s get started.

Moderator: President Trump, in recent comments, you suggested that Canada should become our 51st state. Can you explain why you believe Canada, a country with its own sovereignty and identity, should become part of the United States?

President Trump: Look, I’ve always said Canada is a great country, but the U.S.-Canada border is really just an artificial line. We share such a strong relationship—economically, militarily, and socially. We’ve got so much in common. Canada has great resources that could help America grow even more, and the people are fantastic. I’ve spoken with Governor Trudeau and I told him, if we really want to be strong together, why not combine forces? It’s a natural fit. They already trade with us, they already cooperate with us. So why not make it official and be one, unified country? That would make us even stronger as a global power. Canada as the 51st state—that’s the way forward.

Becky Romero: President Trump, you want Canada to be the 51st state, but you oppose statehood for Puerto Rico, a U.S. territory with over 3 million American citizens? Why? Is it because the people in Puerto Rico don’t have the “right skin color” to be fully included in our democracy? Or is it because most Puerto Ricans speak Spanish? No, what’s ridiculous is pretending to be a nationalist and then suggesting we absorb another country while ignoring people who’ve already sworn allegiance to our flag. Many Puerto Rican-Americans have fought for this country in uniform. Many of them died for it. The people of Puerto Rico deserve full rights as Americans, but Canada, with its sovereignty, doesn’t need to be a part of us.

I’m also curious, if Canada refuses your demand to revise the border or accept statehood, what then? Do you plan to ask Congress for a declaration of war on Canada? You already threatened Greenland and you’ve been going after Panama. What’s the matter, Mr. President? Do you feel you need to upstage Vladimir Putin on invasions of sovereign nations?

President Trump: No, that’s not what I’m saying at all, Becky. Canada is an ally, a friend, and a partner. What I’m talking about is finding ways to strengthen our relationship, not tear it down. And by the way, Canada is already deeply tied to us through trade and defense. The idea of making that even stronger is just about building an even more prosperous future. It’s about strength. It’s about the American people, and how we can take the next step to become the world’s leading power.

Becky Romero: With all due respect, this idea is absurd. What’s next, are you going to propose that we annex Mexico next because the border is also an “artificial line”? This kind of thinking undermines the very concept of sovereignty and national identity, and it disrespects the people of both countries. You want to solve real issues, like trade, not create new ones by trying to turn neighboring countries into something they’re not. We need to respect national boundaries, cooperate, and find ways to strengthen relationships in a manner that respects the dignity of both nations. Your push for this is dangerous, and it’s not in the best interests of the American people.



Moderator: Ms. Romero, you’ve been outspoken in favor of formally recognizing the Northwest Passage as Canadian territorial waters, but President Trump wants to keep them designated international waters. In the past, the designation mattered little since the Passage was ice-bound nearly all-year long. But due to the melting of Arctic sea ice, the Passage may become fully navigable in the summer months.

Becky Romero: Thank you. This is a critical issue for both Canada and the United States. We should recognize the Northwest Passage as Canadian territory waters, and denying that not only sets a dangerous precedent for territorial disputes, but also jeopardizes our national security. The future significance of the Northwest Passage is undeniable. While it's not a major shipping lane right now, it will be, and as Arctic Ocean ice continues to melt to the point where it might ice-free in the summer months, it could become a key passage for trade and military activity.

By refusing to acknowledge Canadian sovereignty, President Trump is opening the door for adversaries like China and Russia to extend their influence in the Arctic. We don’t need to give China and Russia a shortcut to our East Coast through the Northwest Passage, especially when Russia is already increasing its military presence in the Arctic and China calls itself a near-Arctic nation. Canada's control of the Northwest Passage is in our national interest because it prevents these countries from taking a shortcut to the U.S. eastern seaboard.

That’s why I propose an ANKUS-style treaty for the Arctic. Canada would gain the technology in partnership with the United States and the United Kingdom to build nuclear-powered submarines that would defend Canadian sovereignty over the Northwest Passage. We should be ready to help defend Canada’s territorial waters, just like we defend our own. Defending the Arctic together is an absolute national security necessity. We should stand with Canada, not against them.

And let’s not forget about Greenland. We’ve heard a lot this year about President Trump's fascination with Greenland, but if we recognize Canada’s sovereignty over the Northwest Passage, we essentially make Greenland a moot point. Why? Because Canada’s control over the Arctic waters lessens the importance of Greenland as a strategic asset. We don’t need to be fixated on Greenland when we’re helping secure the Northwest Passage. The U.S. and Canada are natural allies. Working together to secure the Arctic is in the best interest of both our nations.

President Trump: You know, I’m all for protecting America’s interests, but handing over nuclear-armed subs to Canada? That’s a bridge too far. I don’t trust Trudeau with that kind of power—imagine if Canada became our 51st state, he'd just be a governor. He’s weak, and this kind of technology should not be in his hands. If we let Canada control the Northwest Passage, who’s next? It could open the door for military activity we don’t want on our doorstep.

Look, I don’t trust the Canadian government to secure the passage. It’s like the South China Sea—an area that should remain free for all nations. We cannot let Canada assert control over the Passage. It must remain open for international shipping. Just like China’s claims in the South China Sea, Canada shouldn’t be allowed to claim this as sovereign territory.

Becky Romero: (smiling) With all due respect, the President is simply misinformed. First of all, we’re not talking about nuclear-armed submarines here. The subs would be nuclear-powered, meaning they run on nuclear energy, but they would not be carrying nuclear weapons. There’s a significant difference, and I think we need to be clear on that.

And secondly, Trudeau is no longer prime minister. He resigned, and the new leader of Canada is Prime Minister Mark Carney. Perhaps, President Trump, you might have missed that news, as it seems like that was one of the 25% of days during your presidency when you were too busy on the golf course to stay updated on global events. Even Fox News covered his election.

Now, as for your South China Sea analogy—Canada is not militarizing the Arctic like China is militarizing the South China Sea. They’re not building artificial islands or expanding military presence in the region. The Northwest Passage is very different. It’s not an “open water” issue; it’s about sovereign control over a vital strategic waterway that cuts through Canada’s national territory. If the U.S. or anyone else were in Canada’s position, they would never accept unfettered international access to one-third of their national territory.

This isn’t just a minor disagreement between our countries. The Northwest Passage spans roughly 900 miles and cuts through the Canadian Arctic Archipelago, making it unique. No “international strait” in the world runs through a country’s sovereign territory to this extent. Would the United States allow free passage through a strait that cuts across one-third of its national landmass? Of course not. And Canada shouldn’t be expected to do the same.

President Trump: (interrupting) I’m not saying we don’t want good relations with Canada, but we can’t just let them take control of such a critical passage. This could turn into a real problem if we’re not careful. The U.S. has to ensure that international trade routes remain open to all nations—no one should control such a vital route alone.

Becky Romero: (assertively) That’s the problem. You’re not understanding the stakes. What’s at risk isn’t just trade—it’s national security. If Canada, a NATO ally, doesn’t control the Northwest Passage, then what’s to stop other countries, like China and Russia, from asserting their influence there? We’ve already seen Russia’s growing military presence in the Arctic. If Canada cannot defend this critical waterway, we’ll be at risk. And the U.S. needs to work with Canada—not against them.

The idea that this is similar to the South China Sea is misguided. In the South China Sea, China is literally building islands to establish control. Canada isn’t doing that. Canada is asserting sovereignty over waters that have been part of its territory for centuries. And if we don’t stand by our ally in this, we risk emboldening other nations who may try to expand their reach into our backyard.

President Trump: (getting heated) You just don’t get it! I’m looking at the big picture—this is about security. You can’t just let Canada call the shots. This is a slippery slope!

Becky Romero: (calmly) No. What we can’t afford is to ignore our allies and leave a vacuum in the Arctic for others to exploit. Canada has as much a right to defend its territory as we do. And the U.S. and Canada should be working together, not creating friction where none is needed. We should stand united, because the future of the Arctic is in both of our hands.

Moderator: (cutting in) Let’s bring this back to the issue at hand. President Trump, you’ve had a chance to present your argument. Ms. Romero, any final thoughts?

President Trump: (grumbling) I’ll stand by what I said—this isn’t about Canada or Trudeau or Carney or whoever’s in charge. This is about keeping America safe.

Becky Romero: (smiling) Exactly. That’s why we need to secure the Arctic with our allies, and that starts by recognizing Canada’s sovereignty over the Northwest Passage. Working together is the best way to protect both of our nations.



Moderator: Let’s turn now to national security. President Trump, what role should Canada play in joint defense, especially in light of threats from Russia and China over the Arctic and missile technology?

President Trump: Look, NORAD is fine. It’s good. But we shouldn’t be paying for everything. We have the best military in the world, and everyone wants us to foot the bill. Canada included. Becky wants to throw technology and money at them—but they need to pay their share. Their military spending is way too low. If they want missile defense, subs, all that—they need to pony up. And I don’t trust that they’ll follow through. Too much red tape. Too much Trudeau—uh, Carney nonsense. We lead. They follow. That’s how it works.

Becky Romero: (calmly) It’s not about who leads or follows—it’s about who’s prepared. If a hypersonic missile is headed for Seattle or Chicago from over the North Pole, it’s going to be a Canadian radar station—or a Canadian officer in a joint control room—that helps us shoot it down in time.

This isn’t a favor we’re doing for them. This is North American security. And you don’t strengthen that by whining about pennies. You strengthen it by investing in the partnership that’s kept this continent safe for over 70 years.

President Trump: (interrupting) That’s your problem—you trust everybody. And that’s why they take advantage of you. Of us. We do the heavy lifting, and Canada gets the benefit.

Becky Romero: (leaning in) And your problem is you confuse leadership with bullying. Leadership means building alliances, not wrecking them for a photo op and a soundbite. You can’t just throw money at the problem—you have to trust your allies to do their part. If we’re talking about defense, we have to be working together—equally. If Canada is vulnerable in the Arctic, we’re all vulnerable.

Moderator: President Trump, do you believe that Canada is doing enough to contribute to its own defense, particularly in light of these evolving threats in the Arctic?

President Trump: Look, Canada does the bare minimum, and it’s not enough. I’m all for helping our allies, but we’ve been carrying the load for too long. It’s time for them to step up. What we need is action, not more promises. I’m all for defense, but it has to be a fair partnership.

Becky Romero: That’s the problem—you keep focusing on the wrong things. It’s not just about how much money someone spends. It’s about the shared responsibility. If Canada is properly equipped to defend its Arctic borders, it strengthens the whole continent. This isn’t about one country doing more than the other; it’s about the U.S. and Canada working side by side to maintain security in the face of global threats.

President Trump: (interrupting) And how do you propose we make them pay for all this? You just keep adding costs without a plan for how to make them pull their weight!

Becky Romero: (responding quickly) It’s not about making them pay—it's about sharing the load. If we don’t work together on missile defense, on Arctic security, we’re leaving ourselves vulnerable to countries like Russia and China. That’s a risk we can’t afford. We need to invest in our alliances and modernize our shared capabilities.

Moderator: It seems like we have a disagreement on burden-sharing here. But, Ms. Romero, you’ve also mentioned the importance of joint military operations. If we are to ensure effective defense in the Arctic, don’t we need a clear framework for cooperation and investment from both sides?

Becky Romero: Exactly. It’s not just about military resources; it’s about building systems that work together. We need integration, where both countries are equal players in the security of this continent. That means enhancing our missile defense, modernizing our equipment, and ensuring that we can respond swiftly and efficiently to any threats, particularly in the Arctic.

President Trump: (interrupting) Yeah, but they need to start paying for it. You can’t expect us to keep writing the check!

Becky Romero: (smiling) Leadership is about building those partnerships. It’s not just about who writes the biggest check; it’s about ensuring we are all capable of defending what’s ours. Working together—that’s the real strength.

Moderator: A fiery exchange on national security here. It’s clear both of you have strong views on the role Canada should play. Before we move on, President Trump, how do you respond to Ms. Romero’s point that working together is the key to strengthening defense, particularly in the Arctic?

President Trump: (grumbling) I just don’t trust Canada to keep up with their end of the deal. We’ve been doing too much for too long, and that’s not going to change under her plan.

Becky Romero: (responding firmly) That’s where you’re wrong. Trusting our allies—building that mutual respect—that’s how we win, how we protect this continent.

The conclusion of the debate continues in the comments section below.
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beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
Moderator: Let’s move on to health care. Ms. Romero, you’ve been vocal about supporting a Canadian-style single-payer health care system. Why do you believe that’s the best option for the United States?

Becky Romero: Thank you. First and foremost, our current system leaves too many Americans without the care they need, and it’s unsustainable. In Canada, everyone is covered, no one is left behind, and it’s cost-efficient. While I know there are concerns about wait times, the truth is, Canada’s system is more efficient in terms of overall outcomes, and people aren’t bankrupting themselves over medical bills. We spend more per capita than most countries with universal care, and yet we don’t have the same outcomes.

And if we don’t act soon, we’ll face even more problems, especially with figures like Elon Musk and his DOGE operation targeting Medicaid and Medicare for destruction. They want to cut these programs. What we need is a system that guarantees healthcare for everyone, and that’s what single-payer does. It’s time to move forward, not backwards.

President Trump: (laughs) Single-payer health care is socialism, plain and simple. You want to throw billions at a government-run system that can’t even run the DMV without chaos? You’re talking about waiting months for procedures, longer lines, and worse care. Have you seen the horror stories from Canada? People literally come to the U.S. for care because they can’t get what they need at home. And the cost—good luck with that. It’ll cost taxpayers an arm and a leg, and it won’t even work. You’re dreaming if you think we can just “copy” Canada.

Becky Romero: (calmly) Well, it’s funny you bring that up. Because in your own book, The America We Deserve, you actually talked about Canada’s health care system as a model for the U.S. You wrote that "Canada’s system works better than ours, and they provide better outcomes at a fraction of the cost." You said it yourself—maybe you’ve forgotten. So I guess now, when it’s politically convenient, you suddenly don’t trust the system you once praised.

President Trump: (flustered) That’s not—(pauses) That’s not what I meant! I was just making a point, okay? I said that years ago, but you can’t compare Canada’s system to what we’d do here. America is different. We can’t just—just copy it. We’re not Canada!

Becky Romero: (smiling) Oh, so now it’s “different”? You didn’t seem to think it was different when you were talking about it as a model. The truth is, Canada’s system is working. People live longer, they spend less on health care, and everyone is covered. Meanwhile, we’re stuck with a system that leaves millions behind, especially as Elon Musk’s DOGE is working overtime to gut Medicaid and Medicare. You want to talk about bad outcomes? Look at the millions of people on Medicaid and Medicare who depend on these programs.

President Trump: (interrupting) That’s—this is crazy! What’s your plan, just give everybody free health care? That’s going to bankrupt the country!

Becky Romero: Actually, what I’m advocating for is a system that controls costs by eliminating the waste and bureaucracy of private insurers. Right now, we have a bloated system where insurance companies drive up costs, and people go bankrupt when they get sick. I’d rather have a system where health care is a right for everyone, not a privilege for the rich. The only ones benefiting from our current system are the insurance companies.

President Trump: (getting heated) And you think the government is going to fix that? They can’t even run the post office. You want to put the government in charge of everything, and that’s not going to work!

Becky Romero: (firmly) You know what does work, Mr. President? When we invest in the well-being of all our citizens. You’re focused on the politics of this, while people are out there struggling to get care. And don’t even get me started on your buddy Elon Musk and his DOGE team. Did you know that 25% of the 80,000 jobs Musk’s “chainsaw brigade” has targeted for destruction are held by veterans? That’s right—veterans, the very people who have served our country, are getting hit hardest by these cuts.

President Trump: (visibly angered) Don’t bring Musk into this. He’s doing great things for the economy, creating jobs, making America great again!

Becky Romero: (sternly) Great for who? Not for the veterans who are losing their jobs, and not for the people who can’t afford their insulin or cancer treatment because of your profit-driven health care system. This isn’t about creating jobs for billionaires; this is about protecting the people who need it most. If we continue to ignore their needs, we’ll only make this country sicker, not stronger.

Moderator: (attempting to regain control) Alright, we’re getting into some strong points here. President Trump, what do you say to Ms. Romero’s point that the current system is making billionaires richer at the expense of regular Americans, particularly when it comes to health care?

President Trump: (defensively) I never said I was against helping people. I’m for helping people, but not for bankrupting this country in the process. We need to make sure our system is sustainable. Single-payer? It’s not sustainable. It’s a pipe dream.

Becky Romero: (calmly) You’re wrong. It’s not a pipe dream. It’s already working in other countries, and it can work here, too. We just need the political will to make it happen. We need to put people first, not profits.

Moderator: (turning to the audience) It seems we’ve reached a major divide on health care. We’ll have to leave it there for now, but thank you both for the lively exchange. Let’s move on to our final topic: trade and tariffs.



Moderator: President Trump, your administration recently implemented a 10% across-the-board tariff on all imports, with additional tariffs targeting specific countries and industries. Critics argue that these measures have led to significant economic disruptions, including a $9 trillion loss in stock market value and increased costs for American consumers. How do you respond to these concerns?

President Trump: Look, these tariffs are about one thing: putting America first. For too long, other nations have taken advantage of us with unfair trade practices, and it's time we stand up for ourselves. Yes, there have been market fluctuations, but that's just the market adjusting. In the long run, these tariffs will bring back manufacturing jobs, strengthen our economy, and make America richer. Countries like China will no longer be able to exploit our workers and our industries.

Moderator: Ms. Romero, your response?

Becky Romero: With all due respect, Mr. President, your tariffs have been nothing short of disastrous for the American people. The stock market didn't just experience a 'fluctuation'; it suffered a $9 trillion loss in value in a matter of days. That's not just numbers on a screen—that's retirement savings, college funds, and livelihoods wiped out.

Moreover, these tariffs are essentially a tax on American consumers. When you impose tariffs, it's the U.S. importers who pay them, and those costs are inevitably passed down to everyday Americans. This has resulted in the largest tax increase in U.S. history. Families are now paying more for essential goods, and industries that rely on imports are facing skyrocketing costs.

Let's talk about specific impacts:

The Auto Industry in Michigan: The tariffs on imported auto parts have raised production costs, leading to higher car prices and threatening jobs in a state that relies heavily on the automotive sector.

Home Heating Oil in Maine: With energy facing a 10% tariff, residents are bracing for even higher heating costs, exacerbating an already expensive necessity.

Electricity Costs in New York: Tariffs on imported energy components have led to increased costs for utility companies, which are being passed on to consumers in the form of higher electricity bills.

Lumber Prices for Rebuilding Efforts: Tariffs on Canadian lumber have driven up construction costs, making it more expensive to rebuild homes destroyed by floods in Georgia and North Carolina, as well as those lost to wildfires in Southern California.

Mr. President, these tariffs are not making America great again; they're making life harder for everyday Americans.

President Trump: That's just more fear-mongering from the left. Yes, there are some short-term pains, but you have to look at the bigger picture. These tariffs are bringing jobs back to America. Companies are reconsidering their supply chains and investing in American workers. And as for the stock market, it's always volatile. But the fundamentals of our economy are strong, and we're seeing tremendous growth.

Becky Romero: Mr. President, the fundamentals are only strong for those at the very top. Working-class Americans are bearing the brunt of these policies. And let's not forget, your tariffs have prompted retaliatory measures from other countries, further harming our farmers and exporters. This isn't putting America first; it's isolating us from our allies and partners.

Moderator: Mr. President, how do you address the concerns about retaliatory tariffs and their impact on American exporters?

President Trump: We're negotiating from a position of strength. Other countries know that the U.S. market is vital, and they'll come to the table. We've already seen some progress, and I believe we'll secure better deals that benefit American workers and businesses.

Becky Romero: Your idea of negotiation has led us into trade wars on multiple fronts. Our farmers are losing international markets they've spent decades building. Manufacturers are facing increased costs and uncertainty. This isn't the art of the deal; it's the art of destruction.



Moderator: O.K. Thank you. We will now have the closing statements. Each of you will have two minutes. President Trump, you may begin.

President Trump: I’ve made history already. Twice. They said it couldn’t be done—but I proved them wrong. The greatest comeback maybe ever. We rebuilt the military, brought back jobs, cut taxes, stood up to China, and we didn’t apologize for putting America first. Because I will always put America first. Always.

Now, this time around—we’re going even bigger. It’s time to finish the job. You’ve seen what four years of chaos from the left looks like. Weakness, inflation, open borders, woke nonsense. You name it. I came back to fix it all again. And we will.

Now, about Canada—look, I love Canada. Tremendous people. Beautiful place. But it’s a mess right now. And if we’re going to defend the Arctic, if we’re going to protect our northern border, maybe it's time we stop pretending and start talking seriously about bringing them in. Make Canada the 51st state. I’d do it. But you don’t put Trudeau in charge—you make him Governor Trudeau. That’s what he’d be. Just like a governor. And we make sure they never get nuclear weapons. Not on my watch.

People say it’s crazy. I say it’s bold. And America needs bold leadership. Not weakness, not waiting around for permission from globalists or panels or woke generals. We need strength.
We’re going to win so much, you might get tired of winning again. We’re going to secure our borders, dominate the energy markets, crush inflation, and yes—Make America Great Again—Again. Bigger, better, and stronger than ever before.

Moderator: Ms. Romero, your closing statement please.

Becky Romero: America’s greatness can’t be reduced to a slogan—especially not one stamped on a red hat made in China and sold for $29.99. It’s defined by the opportunities we create for each other, the care we show for our people, and the promise we keep to the generations that come after us.

In President Trump’s first term, we had four years of chaos—where the rich got richer and the rest of us were left behind. And now in his second term, in less than three months, his trade policies have sent the stock market into a downward spiral, wiping out over 9 trillion dollars in value in just a matter of days. And that includes funds in retirement accounts, or for those close to retirement, that everyday Americans were counting on.

Donald Trump’s foreign policy has been likened to a bull in a china shop, and his economic policies—well, they’ve been the bear on Wall Street. We can’t afford to continue down this path of recklessness.

The truth is, America deserves better. We need a leader who will prioritize the well-being of the people—a leader who will build on healthcare reform, expand opportunities, and strengthen our alliances, including with Canada. We need leadership that focuses on the future, not slogans.

Let’s put people first. Let’s work together to build a future that reflects our values, not the failures of the past.

Moderator: Thank you both. That concludes tonight's debate.
ArtieKat · M
@beckyromero I love it!
ArtieKat · M
It's absolutely brilliant, Becky! (I'm taking a break before reading Part 2)
SW-User
I love it, but there's no way our president would speak as fluently as that, or stay on topic for more than 6 or 7 seconds.
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@SW-User

Check out the debate I had with him on China.

https://similarworlds.com/politics/5228654-The-Debate-That-Never-Was-Becky-v-Trump-on-China
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jackjjackson · 70-79, M
Totally made up farcical lies. The scenario is falsely presently. The content is false. The person that took the time to create this nonsense is a sick partisan hack. No offense intended. OF COURSE.
jackjjackson · 70-79, M
I’m sure you could go too and live over the garage. @beckyromero
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@jackjjackson

I am quite content here in the U.S., fighting the fight against fascism.
jackjjackson · 70-79, M
None of that to fight here except whatever made up video games you play. @beckyromero
jackjjackson · 70-79, M
Only 41 people have even glanced at this claptrap.
jackjjackson · 70-79, M
No one is attempting to cut benefits. You dims are the only ones involved with that. @beckyromero
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@jackjjackson

Musk and DOGE have the hacksaw out.
jackjjackson · 70-79, M
Not on benefits. That’s a flat out dim lie. @beckyromero

 
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