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Wait . . . what? Car repos today are higher than the Great Depression?



Photo above - thinking of defending your car by force? Reconsider - today's tow truck drivers are strapped . . . (picture courtesy of Men in Black)

When I read the headline about record car repos, I thought - okay, there were fewer cars and people during the Great Depression. And the link (below, from Autoblog) doesn’t untangle this confusion. But then again, Autoblog's skill is educating us about 0 to 60 times, not repos and interest rates.

In any case, 1.7 million cars were repo’d in America last year. And another 2.3 million are in default, but the tow truck hasn’t arrived yet. Park indoors if you have a garage! Helpful tip, if you don’t have indoor parking: banks are forbidden to repo cars from government lots. Park your whip at work, early and often. But most civil servants are well paid, and layoffs have barely begun. I can’t imagine my neighborhood teacher or police officer is behind on their SUV payments . ..

Well, they might be. The average interest rate is 7% for new cars. That means as many are paying more than 7% as paying less (I’m paying 3.99%). The average used car interest rate is 12%. Again . . . half of these will be over this. There are no statistics on how many people are paying 20-24%. But I feel this is a non-zero number.

The interest rate isn’t what’s leading to repo’s. It’s the monthly payment amount. Now approaching $700 on average. And a record number of car loans had payments greater than $1,000 last year. Autoblog – take a bow. You have completed your mission: convinced people they need a $60,000 EV or a $70,000 pickup truck, with no money down. Or a sports car. There’s a guy in my apartment building who drives a new Jaguar. Hey, moron . . . you’re a frickin’ renter. And possibly paying alimony and child support too.

So we’re at a fork in the road now. Normally, record repo rates would lead to a surge in used cars towed, detailed, and flipped for resale. Price goes down as supply goes up. But on the other hand the new 25% car tax (if it’s not suspended again via Trump’s "Penn and Teller" tariff sleight of hand) will send shoppers onto the used car lots. And into the 12%+ interest rate zone.

If all this is coming as a surprise to anyone, please pinch yourself. Exactly what did anyone think was going to happen when Fed rate hikes drove mortgages to 7%, and car rates even higher? That nobody was going to default, and there’d be no repo’s or evictions? A "cooling economy" means more people on foot, and more furniture on the sidewalk, Chairman Powell . . .

Trump (last week) said: “I couldn’t care less how high car prices go.” He should have told us this during his presidential campaign. And Kamala Harris could have countered: “I have no plans to persuade the Fed to reduce interest rates”. That would must-see TV, if it had come up during the presidential debates, no?

I’m just sayin’ . . .

Car Repossessions Reach Shocking Levels as Loan Defaults Exceed Levels During Great Recession

Reader survey – disclose your interest rate, monthly payment, and car make in replies below. I’m paying $409 a month at 3.9% for a 2025 Honda Civic. How about you?
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Elisbch · M
This is why I have stuck with the car I bought in 2007 all this time. Paid off just a few years after purchase. It's been maintained very well and is in very good shape and mechanically sound. May last another 100,000 miles. No reason to get a new one.
I never trust a convicted felon not to mention any narcissist or sociopath.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
@Elisbch so I should fire the felon that works for my company
Elisbch · M
@MarineBob

Turn your company over to your felon employee so he's the sole owner and let that simmer a while then maybe there might be something to talk about. 🙄
MarineBob · 56-60, M
Wifes SUV is paid for. Currently I don't have a personal vehicle but there are two company trucks that only I am allowed to drive
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@MarineBob company vehicles you can take home each night are the greatest.

police must be saving a bundle that way.
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
Everything i have is paid for and i don't ever want a new car.
And no one saw this coming?
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Virgo79 quite a few people "saw" higher repos and evictions coming from the highest Federal Funds interest rates in more than a decade.

but democrats told us "deficits don't matter"
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
@SusanInFlorida true🙂
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Yep..If you do the numbers, you will find that the finance arm of big car companies is now generating more profit from finance than the parent company does from making the cars.. And the car repo rate often leads the mortgage foreclosure rate by a year or two. It doesnt bode well..😷
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@whowasthatmaskedman i'm not sure that's accurate. i'm paying 3.99% for 48 months at Honda Finance. That's below their own cost of funds. They are apparently buying down the rate 2-3% to move product, and hold the line on transaction prices.

The car websites are now aggressively collecting transaction price data (out the door cost) and marketing it to aspiring buyers so they don't overpay. Honda's strategy is to sell cars at sticker price. If you're willing to negotiate long enough and hard enough with the dealer, they will agree to things like 3.99% and higher values for your trade in. I got $2,000 over kelly blue book for my trade.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida OK. Clearly the market is different where you are, which would be right, since ours are all imports now and there are no tariff walls on cars. Prior to covid we did go through a market similar to the one you describe,.In fact zero interest was around to attract business.😷
swirlie · F
The current prime bank loaning rate in Canada is 4.95%, but there is no such thing as 'zero down' when leasing a car or buying a house in Canada. That 'zero down' bullshitte is what collapsed the US-led mortgage and housing banking industry which is what then precipitated the 2008 Great Recession and which effected every country around the world except Canada. Very old fashioned British banking protocol during that time is what saved Canada's financial asss, which not even the Brits over in UK used anymore!
swirlie · F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
Canada showed positive growth for 2008 plus for the 4 years that followed, but which the USA has still not recovered from despite America's horrific financial losses that resulted from all the incompetent players in the US banking industry.
@swirlie No argument. Just pointing out those companies that did suffer here did so mostly because of tight integration with American industries that were basically treating the economy like a casino.
swirlie · F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
Yes, very true and they deserved to go broke for not buying Canadian and doing business in Canada in the first place.

I have absolutely no sympathy for a Canadian company who's primary financial interest is invested south of the border, who's day to day operations in Canada are hinged on the use of the US Dollar to conduct business and who's only profit is garnered from the difference in exchange rate between the US and Canadian dollar at the end of the day. That's not what a legitimate business looks like, that's just called 'playing poker' in a back alley.
Trump crashes the economy about once a week and people are surprised
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow no surprise here. i've been posting criticisms of trump non-stop.

but realistically, 2024 repos can't be blamed on trump, because he didn't even take office until january 2025.

check your calendar, maybe?
@SusanInFlorida It is also not like MAGA has only been in government since January so yes, he is at least partially to blame.

 
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