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The FACTS about that fiasco in the Oval Office with Zelensky

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jd-vance-steps-spotlight-defending-trumps-foreign-policy-oval-office-dustup-zelenskyy

JD Vance steps into spotlight defending Trump's foreign policy in Oval Office dustup with Zelenskyy

The Oval Office encounter with Zelenskyy also comes on the heels of Vance's Feb. 14 appearance at the Munich Security Conference — an event that left a lasting impression on European nations and their relationships with the U.S.

Specifically, Vance said Russia and China don't pose as great a threat to European nations as the "threat from within," in reference to issues like censorship and illegal immigration.

"To many of us on the other side of the Atlantic, it looks more and more like old entrenched interests hiding behind ugly Soviet-era words like misinformation and disinformation, who simply don’t like the idea that somebody with an alternative viewpoint might express a different opinion or, God forbid, vote a different way, or even worse, win an election," Vance said.



Vance is probably the first INTELLIGENT vice president since Richard Cheney.

Tensions escalated in the Oval Office Friday after Zelenskyy pushed back on Vance’s statements that the path forward was through diplomacy, asserting that Russian President Vladimir Putin has broken other agreements in the past.

"What kind of diplomacy, JD, you are speaking about?" Zelenskyy said. "What do you mean?"
In response, Vance said, "I’m talking about the kind of diplomacy that’s going to end the destruction of your country."

"Mr. President, with respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to come into the Oval Office to try to litigate this in front of the American media," Vance told Zelenskyy. "Right now, you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the president for bringing it, to bring it into this country."
Zelenskyy then asked Vance if he’d ever visited Ukraine, prompting Vance to question again if Zelenskyy disagreed that Ukraine has had challenges recruiting new troops.

"And do you think that it's respectful to come to the Oval Office of the United States of America and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your country?" Vance said.


Zelenskyy visited Washington amid negotiations to end the war in Ukraine and was expected to sign a minerals agreement that would allow the U.S. access to Ukraine’s minerals in exchange for support the U.S. has provided the country since Russia's invasion in 2022.

But after the tense exchange in the Oval Office, Trump announced a halt to peace negotiations and said that Zelenskyy could return to the White House when he was "ready for Peace." Additionally, Zelenskyy left the White House without signing the minerals deal.
I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for peace if America is involved, because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations," Trump wrote in a Truth Social post Friday. "I don't want advantage, I want PEACE. He disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office. He can come back when he is ready for Peace."


Not the first time we've heard of welfare bums who bite the hand that feeds them.
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Gibbon · 70-79, M
He won't sign the deal and never wanted to. During the meeting he wanted to be grandstanding but ended up deflecting instead. If he signs the deal he loses control. He doesn't want the war to end but he's screwed without the steady stream of $ he's no longer getting. Mineral rights is payment for that. Congress won't give him another dime. As some have asked yes if he's WWIII gambling if he bypasses the US and Gets Europe deeply involved.
Like I said as my first reaction without knowing the whole meeting.
He's the spoiled kid not getting his candy.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Avectoijesuismoi In what way was russia 'provoked' into invading the sovereign democracy or Ukraine?
Avectoijesuismoi · 31-35
@newjaninev2 The whole strategy was wrong using the threats of sanctions. Before you pick a fight you have got to understand your opponent and their mindset
The better strategy would have been to sort out the mess that the Donbas already was in for many years and got the two of them to talk
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Avectoijesuismoi and in what way did Ukraine 'pick a fight'?

russia's agents were already creating instability in Ukraine's Donbas region in preparation for russia's eventual invasion.

What was there to talk about. There's no parity here, no 'equivalence', and no shared anything.

russia was (and still is) the aggressor, and has been invading Ukraine for the last eleven years.

For as long as russians stand on Ukraine's territory it will burn their feet.
Confined · 56-60, M
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6369469888112?dicbo=v2-kvskWD6 love it
Avectoijesuismoi · 31-35
I think the price for US help has most likely just got a bit higher than it was before. If Trump really wants f=to force the point home he just has to pull the military aid and rescind the permissions that the Ukraine was given by the Biden Administration as to the use of US made weapons
Trump couldn't make a peace deal because Putin doesn't want peace. Putin wants all of Ukraine.

According to Dmitry Medvedev, Poland and the Baltic states are only “temporarily outside of Russian control.” Putin wants to re-build the Soviet Union.

And tRump is helping.
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Yes. Ye4s. We all understand what Vance thought he really meants to say and how Trumps yelling makes it all more true that any other words.. Stand by for further translations of the Great Leader in his perfection...
You really expect anyone to believe you over the unedited footage of two schoolyard thugs beating up on a government leader on camera? If you had any shame you will be sitting in a puddle of it now..😷
HobNoblin · 36-40, M
Zelenskyy was high af. His brain is Joe Biden levels of fried. Probably did a bunch of lines before the meeting
Reason10 · 70-79, M
Confined · 56-60, M
Zelenskyy should be arrested and tried for war crimes
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Reason10
not going to spend any more taxpayer dollars

It's 119 billion, and Ukraine wasn't given that money. Ukraine was given surplus and obsolete weapons (and have used them to shred the russians), with the money being spent in America to manufacture new weapons. Weapons manufactured in American factories by American workers earning American dollars for doing so.

Incidentally, the aid from Europe was a gift, All European aid to Ukraine has been a gift.

Apparently your shyster pretend-President can't understand that, because he keeps repeating the falsehood of 360 billion and the falsehood about European aid being a loan.

It was hilarious to watch first President Macron and then Prime Minister Starmer call out trump's lies.

trump's contempt for the American people is without limits!
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Confined russia is doing an excellent job of destabilising itself 😂
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@ConfinedAre those the war crimes you have in mind?
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