Europe to boot US out of NATO?

Donald Trump's announcement of the start of negotiations on Ukraine with Putin in a phone call sent shockwaves through European capitals. Any settlement in Ukraine will have ramifications for Europe's own security. France, Germany and Spain insisted that any peace deal in Ukraine could not be achieved without the involvement of European partners.

US defense chief, Hegseth, said it was Europe's responsibility to stop the Russian "war machine". Ukraine's dream of returning to its pre-2014 borders was an "illusionary goal" – and that Kyiv's wish for NATO membership was "not realistic".

This is payback time for disrespecting and ripping off the USA.

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Nitedoc · 51-55, M

No way in hell! They all need us to help them in the wars they start.

AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M

@Nitedoc without us , Russia will have those deep sea ports on the Med they have wanted for decades.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@AthrillatheHunt Ukraine alone has kept Russia substantially still for 3yrs with a bunch of scrause Iraq era equipment. Short of Trump joining Putin or attacking from west, Europe as a whole definitely has the capacity (also economic) to push Putin back. Maybe just not the political will (even though the wind may be changing on that regard, I'm with gas no longer as much of a dependency)

AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M

@Elessar Ukraine (w our training and intelligence and weapons ) has done surprisingly well up till now. Russia knows all about wars of attrition.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@AthrillatheHunt Yours and ours. It's a pity to see your country move to join the despot's side

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Nitedoc · 51-55, M

@AthrillatheHunt Most likely.