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Trump says that tariffs 'may' cause pain to Americans.

Is that justifiable, as long as they cause pain to people you don't like? It stikes me that masochism is a big part of MAGA.

I get that people see free international trade as a problem that has damaged America. I actually agree on that and I think it's damaged everywhere. It's allowed company CEOs to outsource jobs, undercut unions. It's led to de-industrialisation and a race to the bottom

Are tariffs the answer? Not like this. If you want to bring jobs back and re-industrialise a country, you would need an industrial strategy. As 'rival' companies are blocked off, you need domestic production in place to meet the demand with an alternative supply. You would want to build up US industries (through tax breaks/subsidies or whatever) so it's ready to go.

Imposing heavy tariffs and just leaving it to the market is a recipe for chaos. It's an extremely crude, inefficient and brutal way of solving a problem. Prices will rise, people will face layoffs and it will take a few years for the market to re-adjust. At best; At worst, all this pain will be for no advantage.

The chaos will be doubled because the coming trade war will hit anyone exporting to Mexico and Canada. In addition, what of the manufacturing supply chains that cross borders? To state the obvious, this really did need a plan!

Trump's tariffs are a crude solution to a complicated problem. They will bigly cost Americans and their neighbours. It's bad that your computer has stopped working, so then hit it with a stick.
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sree251 · 41-45, M
Are tariffs the answer? Not like this. If you want to bring jobs back and re-industrialise a country, you would need an industrial strategy. As 'rival' companies are blocked off, you need domestic production in place to meet the demand with an alternative supply. You would want to build up US industries (through tax breaks/subsidies or whatever) so it's ready to go.

Trump's tarriff strategy is building a wall to block import of goods into the USA by American companies (i,e, Apple, Tesla, HP, Ford, GM, etc.) offshoring manufacturing abroad. This will compel those same companies to figure a way to get China to set up industrial parks in the US to make those goods on American soil instead of screwing the US thru NAFTA by shipping goods into America from their industrial parks in Canada and Mexico.
helenS · 36-40, F
@sree251
get China to set up industrial parks in the US to make those goods on American soil
... and bringing Chinese workers to those industrial parks too?
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@sree251 I genuinely think you're right. The point here is to destroy and rebuild the economy.

Also NAFTA doesn't exist anymore, it was replaced with USMCA. By Trump.
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@CountScrofula
I genuinely think you're right. The point here is to destroy and rebuild the economy.

The US economy is the biggest and most vibrant in the world. We are the most creative and dynamic society known to mankind. The last election unshackled us from self-destructive woke ideology. Let's hope we can now forge ahead to greater heights.

Also NAFTA doesn't exist anymore, it was replaced with USMCA. By Trump.

USMCA is a modification of NAFTA with provisions to review and revise NAFTA policies.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@sree251 I live in Alberta. We ship our oil to Texas, which is refined there because it's very hard to refine. The US exports its sweet oil because anyone can refine that. It's been that way for decades.

That's woke... how?
sree251 · 41-45, M
@CountScrofula
I live in Alberta. We ship our oil to Texas, which is refined there because it's very hard to refine. The US exports its sweet oil because anyone can refine that. It's been that way for decades.

That's woke... how?

That's not woke, that's economics. US refineries were designed for heavy crude that is cheap and readily available worldwide. We export our light crude.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@helenS Yes.