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The bad moral value of force

Milton Friedman said: “The bad moral value of force triumphs over good intentions.”

Is it morally right for the state to take from people that which they do not wish to give? Would the political left admit they try to fight evil with evil?

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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
Seems rather vague. You say the left fights evil with evil, care to elaborate?
emiliya · 22-25, F
@SatanBurger Many of us fight evil with evil. Have you ever been hurt and wanted to get back at the person?

The left responds to supposed racism with racism. If a person says they do not want to use a gender pronoun the other wants, we start looking at laws and making it illegal for them to do that. This is evil. Compelling others, through the law, to use language you prefer is of the devil. Trying to get rid of capitalism because most of the world is poor is evil. If it isn't yours, it is not yours to take. Socialism is greed and it is necessary for the government to interfere more. Is this kind of government interventionism good?

Wealth means freedom. Maybe poverty means freedom too, if you can get enough food and resources together to live in the middle of nowhere. What is not freedom are government handouts, taxes, the government educating our children, the government telling us what words to use, and the government doing everything for us.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@emiliya Respecting people's pronouns is about respect for the person and honestly doesn't take much beyond getting to know the other person.

I could see if you didn't know that person's pronouns and they jumped on you about it maybe.

But the cases I've seen in the news of conservatives refusing to use pronouns is just the conservative being outright disrespectful because they refuse to acknowledge trans individuals and their rights.

Deep down refusing to use pronouns is refusing to understand the person you're talking to because you don't acknowledge trans rights nor understand advanced biology enough to really understand them.

You talk a lot but talking a whole bunch and having genuine understanding of a complex subject is two entirely different things.

It's not evil to demand respect but if you refused to acknowledge someone's right to exist and the issues that affect them, you would think it's evil because you would see it as an attack on your religious freedom.

But just because something is seen as evil by you doesn't mean it actually is.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@SatanBurger It is hard to tell with some of them. Am I too blame if a male or female still look like their sex? If they still look like their sex, some people are going to call them a man when they are a man and a woman when they are a woman. I might indulge them if they are nice to me and give me reason to. I am a human being, so if they do something to upset me, and I fail to turn the other cheek, I may just refer to them by their real pronoun. What is for certain is that no one should be compelled by law to call them by their “preferred pronoun.” We need fewer laws, not more of them. We need more free speech, not less of it. The world needs less interference from their governments, not more of it.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@emiliya I don’t think the issue with pronouns works the way you’re describing. A lot of the cases where a conservative is reported to have been "attacked" for not knowing someone's pronouns often stem from their reaction to being corrected, rather than an innocent misunderstanding. Usually, it's not that someone gets unfairly bullied for making a mistake, it’s that they refuse to use the pronouns after being politely informed.

When someone tells you what pronouns they prefer, it’s simply a request for respect. Unfortunately, some people reject this right from the start, as if it's a stance they need to take. It’s not about being forced to do anything unreasonable; it’s about recognizing and respecting another person's identity.

The issue is more likely about a refusal to acknowledge the science behind gender and biological sex, which is well-established. Not understanding or accepting this doesn’t make it any less real, and refusing to respect someone’s pronouns after they’ve told you what they prefer can come off as intentionally disrespectful.

That’s why these situations escalate, and it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy, resisting something you don’t fully understand creates the very conflict you're trying to avoid.

Common decency and respect for others isn’t evil, it’s just basic kindness.

For the fact you consider basic decency to others as evil tells me a lot.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@SatanBurger Ay dios mío, you liberals love this trans nonsense. Why should I care what someone identifies as? Why should they care? Since when was self-identification so important?
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@emiliya Your refusal to understand or learn about anything isn't on anyone else.
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