Do Americans realise that the war in Ukraine, is a proxy war between Russia and America, and the Ukraine people are being used as cannon fodder ?

@jackjjackson He didn't mention Biden at all, so why are you?

The war started during the Biden and Harris administration. Correct? @Bel6EQUJ5

@jackjjackson

I see that Donald Trump is not the only one experiencing memory problems and mixing up Biden with Obama.

The war actually started in 2014.

I truly hope you have loving family members who can intercede and get you the necessary cognitive health that you apparently need.

@jackjjackson well yes. The big guy.

@jackjjackson
Let's say the egg hatched in Feb 2022 when Russia occupied the eastern part of Ukraine. Fertilization of that egg happened long before that in 2014 when Crimea broke away from Ukraine to become part of Russia. Majority of the population in Crimea and eastern Ukraine territory annexed by Russia are Russians.

@jackjjackson
Crimea is part of UKRAINE.

Russia ILLEGALLY annexed after invading it on February 20, 2014.

Please get your head checked. Perhaps you got a mild concussion and don't remember?

Several misstatements

No armed Crimea invasion
Russia walked in and made themselves cozy
February 22, 2024 was an armed invasion killing people
The Obama administration let the first happen
The Harris - Biden administration let the second happen

If the starter of this thread is correct that it’s a US Russia proxy war Biden engineered the US part

Simple except for puppets of the leftists. Admit what you are and move on. You’re no moderate. You don’t think. You blindly follow orders.


@beckyromero @sree251

@jackjjackson Incorrect. Whilst the current iteration of it may have begun in February of 2022, all of the events leading up to it began when the US government staged the coup that toppled the legitimate presidency of Viktor Yanukovich back in 2014 (the so-called Maidan Revolution).

@jackjjackson
You mean like the invasion of Denmark by Nazi Germany in World War II? The Danes' losses were light: 16 deaths of their military because the government capitulated.

Five Ukrainians lost their lives during the invasion of Crimea in 2014.

Face it, Mr. Jackson.

You are WEAK in the face of tyranny. Just like Barack Obama. And just like Donald Trump. Three of a kind.

With your pacifist views in regards to opposing tyranny, would you have supported Norman Thomas in 1940 had you been alive and of voting age back then? Or would you have been an American First rabble-rouser to be quickly decredited after the attack on Pearl Harbor? (At least you wouldn't have been a member of the Bund, although supporting any of those three would have politically aided the Axis.)

Of course, it's pretty safe to say that @ididntknow would have supported Earl Browder.

So you can’t rebut the truth. @beckyromero

@jackjjackson Who are you responding to here? Me or Sree?

@Bel6EQUJ5

Doesn't matter. You and I are essentially saying the same thing. Jack insists on viewing the start date was February 2022 when Biden was in the White House. I don't know what his point is.

Insisting? Nope it’s a fact that Russia’s armed killing invasion of Ukraine began on February 24, 2022. You can’t change that you can’t obfuscate that. @sree251

@jackjjackson
Let me clear the confusion. @Bel6EQUJ5 and I are looking at the big picture of the Ukraine war. You are correct about the Russian armed incursion into eastern Ukraine on February 2022. Where are you going with this?

@jackjjackson

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. "
- Sen. Barry Goldwater
Republican National Convention
Cow Palace, Daly City, CA
July 16, 1964

That may be some of the most remember lines of a presidential nomination acceptance speech - ever.

But I'm not so sure you understand it, despite using a Goldwater photo as your avatar.

Nor something else Goldwater said in that speech.

"Only the strong can remain free... only the strong can keep the peace."

"We here in America can keep the peace only if we remain vigilant and only if we remain strong. Only if we keep our eyes open and keep our guard up can we prevent war...

"I can see in the distant and yet recognizable future the outlines of a world worthy our dedication, our every risk, our every effort, our every sacrifice along the way. Yes, a world that will redeem the suffering of those who will be liberated from tyranny. I can see and I suggest that all thoughtful men must contemplate the flowering of an Atlantic civilization, the whole world of Europe unified and free, trading openly across its borders, communicating openly across the world."

Goldwater would be absolutely disgusted with the MAGAs and Trumpets who have hijacked the Republican Party. Absolutely disgusted.

@sree251 He's going nowhere with it. The poor boy is lost, just like his hero Biden.

Actually far from. The author who started this thread stated that the Ukraine Russia war is actually a US proxy war. Since it stated February 22, 2024 the Harris - Biden administration is responsible. Just like the Afghanistan fiasco which unnecessarily killed US citizens and loyal Afghan citizens. Harris - Biden totally screwed thousands of loyal freedom loving Afghan citizens. You’re fools if you support all of that and are indifferent and happy about the attempts to murder Trump. @Bel6EQUJ5 @beckyromero @sree251

@jackjjackson
The author (OP) is correct. Ukraine is the battle ground of US aggression, backed by the UK and EU against Russia. There is no conflict between Ukraine and Russia just as there is no conflict between Taiwan and China. The modus operandus of the US is to create dissension in Ukraine using a Ukrainian puppet like Zelensky to front the conflict. All the weapons and money for the conflict comes from the US, UK, and EU to fuel the fighting between Ukrainians and Russians.


Don't be a fool, Jack. Biden has nothing to do with anything anymore than all the Presidents had anything to do with shaping US foreign policy and wars. They, including Trump, are just puppets.


I am not happy with attempts to murder Trump. This is what happens when a President has a mind of his own and want to do what is right for the country and his fellow Americans if not the world. Trump has the ability to make peace with Russia, China, Iran, and even North Korea. And this is why he is being shot at.

Your last paragraph is the most on target correct thing you’ve written. Russia attacked Ukraine not vice versa. Biden was president when that happened. @sree251

@jackjjackson

Trump had already pulled out too many troops and surrendered too many airfrields and land to the Taliban.

It was a recipe for disaster. Everyone was trying to get out of the country at one air base.